Slate Book Extended Until 2029

[HurryUpandWait]

And JD would’ve gotten wiped in negotiations

At least he would’ve had the courage and backbone to enter negotiations. FAA could smell our weakness from a mile away. “Can we get a pay raise and ratification bonus”.. “No.”

How we let the FAA get away with their incompetence to staff the NAS for decades and modernize equipment and facilities is ridiculous. That should be the ultimate trump card by the Union. Oh, you won’t even attempt to negotiate a pay raise or ratification bonus for the extension.. wait until I tell cnn, Fox, NYT all the skeletons in your closet.

Instead, depend on collaboration that leads to a big middle finger

 

[Soul_Controller]

Losing the right for union representation on government time. Aka no more 114s.

I'd take you guys more seriously if you could tell the difference between article 2 and article 114.

 

[AlmostEligible]

You’re clearly too fucking stupid to be a TRACON controller. You must be an enroute controller… Many people on here have gotten involved and seen the scam that the union has become since John Carr was voted out. One day, maybe your eyes will open and see that change needs to be made to make things better for all of us. Until then, try to make your crossing restrictions or you can expect an unable to your dumb ass approval requests

lol. Stay on subject about the contract and not where people work. I'm a Z controller and the level 11 TRACON I am stuck dealing with is complete trash and definitely aren't the smart ones. Being a TRACON controller doesn't make you special or smart, and it DEFINITELY doesn't make you smarter than anyone at a Z or anywhere else. But stay delusional all you want.

 

[LennyA21]

Potentially saved us from a worse white book?

I still have yet to see a rational reason as to why people think this is a bad thing. What have we lost? What have we given up?

We’ve lost the right to negotiate a new/better contract until 2029.

The white book stuff needs to stop, after Obama won and fixed why the white book happened in the first place place NATCA praised that we can never have a white book again because of binding arbitration.

Now because it would have been a hard fight we can use the white book again?

And JD would’ve gotten wiped in negotiations

You’re playing ball with binding arbitration not a president. In binding arbitration the best argument wins not the best party

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

You’re clearly too fucking stupid to be a TRACON controller. You must be an enroute controller… Many people on here have gotten involved and seen the scam that the union has become since John Carr was voted out. One day, maybe your eyes will open and see that change needs to be made to make things better for all of us. Until then, try to make your crossing restrictions or you can expect an unable to your dumb ass approval requests

Just don’t unable mine from North please! I am retarded but I’m doing my best

 

[GulfCharlie]

I just don’t care. I’m more than happy with my compensation

You remind me of a cousin I had on the other side of the wall, the Communists only had 3 types of chocolates in the local market. Her mentality was “why should I want more or different types.”

 

[ZuluZulu]

Just wanna make sure we all remember these.

NCE



NNE

 

[KP-ATC]

It’s not about the FAA playing ball… kick the can down the road and negotiate when able. However when you have a party that just took a 1500 page bill and got it down to 150 pages… the unfortunate reality is I don’t want to play ball with that incoming administration

They didn't play ball with the most labor friendly administration either

And JD would’ve gotten wiped in negotiations

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed at some indefinite time in the future.”
-General George S Patton Jr

 

[Raise when?]

let the union die a terrible death. Extending was the one thing we all did not want

 

[KP-ATC]

We’ve lost the right to negotiate a new/better contract until 2029.

The white book stuff needs to stop, after Obama won and fixed why the white book happened in the first place place NATCA praised that we can never have a white book again because of binding arbitration.

Now because it would have been a hard fight we can use the white book again?

That was a big win for NATCA.
Maybe their last big win.

 

[theflyingpig]

we understood the risks of negotiating a new contract. it wasn't going to be easy but you want to promote solidarity and give us something to fight for - this was it. but no nick took the easy way out and protected his a114s.

what we lost was the ability to negotiate real raises for the next 4 years. sure he'll probably get a pay MOU approved to pay extra on Saturdays which only effects part of the workforce. maybe possibly eventually we'll get FDT back, tiered OT, etc etc

this fear mongering about trump and possible return to a white book is absolute garbage. title 49 was fixed with the red book. trump's EOs - who cares. end collaboration and fight like hell. make things painful. management wants to implement some garbage procedure - follow it to a T and let it burn. in the end maybe we can't get the FFA to agree on a new contract and we go to an arbitrator - at least we can say we fought like hell and it didn't work rather then take the easy way out.

like JD I am in a similar position. ill be ok, im at my final facility and I can retire soon. ill take my 1.4% raise now and come back when this union can get some real wins

edit: oh and we can't open the contract at any point. it has to be MUTUALLY agreed upon. the only way the FFA is going to open it is there is a serious event like 9/11 or covid and they need to cut costs. at that point NATCA isn't going to open it.

edit 2: so the NEB had no input on it but had no issue sending out an email
"We look forward to connecting with you during the town halls and continuing to protect and advance our Union.
In Solidarity,
NATCA National Executive Board"

 

[echster]

Just wanna make sure we all remember these.

A comment not directed at you... my two cents, but I could be wrong.

Some RVPs went through the hassle of sending out those surveys, and then members went through the hassle of answering that survey. All to no avail, however. And that really chaps my ass. Why? Because it appears the RVPs did not get to vote their member's wishes when the unilateral decision was made to extend the Slate Book. This leads back to another issue....

Stop sending sycophantic, go-along-to-get-along, weak-kneed pussies to the Convention. I'm sick and tired of seeing commonsense amendments being voted down by voice vote even though a majority of the facilities support the amendments. People need to speak up and request recorded votes so that facilities and representatives can be put on the spot when they fail members.

 

[Kramer]

we understood the risks of negotiating a new contract. it wasn't going to be easy but you want to promote solidarity and give us something to fight for - this was it. but no nick took the easy way out and protected his a114s.

what we lost was the ability to negotiate real raises for the next 4 years. sure he'll probably get a pay MOU approved to pay extra on Saturdays which only effects part of the workforce. maybe possibly eventually we'll get FDT back, tiered OT, etc etc

this fear mongering about trump and possible return to a white book is absolute garbage. title 49 was fixed with the red book. trump's EOs - who cares. end collaboration and fight like hell. make things painful. management wants to implement some garbage procedure - follow it to a T and let it burn. in the end maybe we can't get the FFA to agree on a new contract and we go to an arbitrator - at least we can say we fought like hell and it didn't work rather then take the easy way out.

like JD I am in a similar position. ill be ok, im at my final facility and I can retire soon. ill take my 1.4% raise now and come back when this union can get some real wins

edit: oh and we can't open the contract at any point. it has to be MUTUALLY agreed upon. the only way the FFA is going to open it is there is a serious event like 9/11 or covid and they need to cut costs. at that point NATCA isn't going to open it.

edit 2: so the NEB had no input on it but had no issue sending out an email
"We look forward to connecting with you during the town halls and continuing to protect and advance our Union.
In Solidarity,
NATCA National Executive Board"

I think the chance of any pay mou, or any meaningful increase to a differential is nil. The sad part is, it's likely natca will be in the same position when this expires.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

I think the chance of any pay mou, or any meaningful increase to a differential is nil. The sad part is, it's likely natca will be in the same position when this expires.

I’ll be on the town hall and ready for them to sell us on these MOUs for the next four years.

 

[Kramer]

I’ll be on the town hall and ready for them to sell us on these MOUs for the next four years.

Ask them the real story on why those 5 centers didn't get upgraded

 

[Phillytroll69]

Realistically would you wear this

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Realistically would you wear thisView attachment 9911

They will use the election result as their excuse. I'll put all of my OJTI pay on it since I got so much this year.

They will use it as an excuse but any union, party, organization, or person could see that Trump was going to win after the assassination attempt and removal of Biden from the ticket. What did NATCA do? Immediately endorse a candidate with 0 primary votes cast for her. Team NDJH continued to talk about negotiating in the runoff right up to the presidential election.

 

[BravesCountry16]

Na. They killed the union on their own and I love it. Every person I know at every facility who was at work today spoke of people going to print out the 1188 forms. I just hope they fill them out and submit them properly. That will be the next big thing, NATCA suing members to recover dues for people who didn't leave the union properly.

Don’t you just fill out the form and give it to an OM?

 

[blarg]

...Donald Trump is a lot of things, but he isn’t a blatant grifter. ...

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[Termine]

Donald Trump is a lot of things, but he isn’t a blatant grifter

I don't know what the fuck you're smoking but please don't control airplanes until it's completely out of your system.