Slate Book Extended Until 2029

[ManBearPig]

Bullshit. Everyone is culpable. Or they deserve to be ousted because they are going along with it.

Who knows what they give up next?

If you aren’t leaving, start finding people to run against them. I will run again, and it won’t be nice, 2 videos and a chill email to try and make people think, it will be calling out all of these fucks and reminding the membership of what they did!

Potentially saved us from a worse white book?

I still have yet to see a rational reason as to why people think this is a bad thing. What have we lost? What have we given up?

 

[ATC Zero]

https://www.natca.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/NATCA-LEADER-Briefing-FINAL-12-20-24.pdf

All explained nice and neat

Based on reading this briefing they have been taking our ideas and paying attention to what needs to be done. I’ll give them that. TBD what they will be able to accomplish, but we will all be watching.

 

[ZuluZulu]

My RVP is saying they were never consulted and this was 100% just Nick. This document says the RVPs were consulted. I honestly wonder which is right.

I was wondering this. So “we” in this very transparent timeline of events is really just Nick. Nice.

 

[Gauff]

Potentially saved us from a worse white book?

I still have yet to see a rational reason as to why people think this is a bad thing. What have we lost? What have we given up?

The only way anything similar to the white book would be possible is if NATCA just blanketly accepted whatever the FAA offered without negotiating.

During the white book facilities were not pushing the traffic we are now and staffing was at an acceptable range. Currently we are in a staffing crisis, our equipment is shotty af, we are working more traffic and more burnt out than ever.

If NATCA had a backbone made of balsa wood we would get improvements to our current contract


Not to mention our clown ass president lied to all his members to get elected to immediately fuck us over

 

[jdatc]

Potentially saved us from a worse white book?

I still have yet to see a rational reason as to why people think this is a bad thing. What have we lost? What have we given up?

Were you even around for the whitebook? I was at ZNY for those years.

When they polled the membership, the membership wanted to open in regions polled. Regardless of who won the presidential election.

However, elections do have consequences, so everyone voted in for the NEB is well within thier rights to extend as obviously they thought it was best for the membership.

However, the membership also can respond accordingly via reduced pac donations, discontent, or 1188’s.

Time will tell if it’s the right decision.

I don’t believe it was.

But I wasn’t elected, so it’s not my choice. However, I as an individual member can voice my discontent too. Let’s meet back here in a couple years and see-

 

[Geeare27]

I'm neutral on the actual decision to extend vs negotiate, but what pisses me off is that double-digit IQ piece of shit grifter blatantly lying just to win the election and then literally immediately and shamelessly going back on his word

Fuck ND and fuck all the morons who fell for his bullshit. This union is dead in the water

 

[ManBearPig]

The only way anything similar to the white book would be possible is if NATCA just blanketly accepted whatever the FAA offered without negotiating.

During the white book facilities were not pushing the traffic we are now and staffing was at an acceptable range. Currently we are in a staffing crisis, our equipment is shotty af, we are working more traffic and more burnt out than ever.

If NATCA had a backbone made of balsa wood we would get improvements to our current contract


Not to mention our clown ass president lied to all his members to get elected to immediately fuck us over

Under the original Trump EOs the FAA wouldn't even be allowed to negotiate on half of what is in our current contract. You are absolutely delusional if you think we would get a better contract under those EOs.

FAA finance still says we are 100% staffed. The DOT has no back bone to demand more money out of Congressional Appropriations. And they don't give a shit you are burnt out.

Rich 100% would have extended at this point as well. He said it many times during his campaign.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

With the amount of money this union spends couldn’t they hire an A team of lawyers to prepare for negotiations?

They only pay lawyers to do gaslighting PowerPoint presentations at dues-funded parties (oh I mean “conferences”) in Vegas.

 

[ManBearPig]

Were you even around for the whitebook? I was at ZNY for those years.

When they polled the membership, the membership wanted to open in regions polled. Regardless of who won the presidential election.

However, elections do have consequences, so everyone voted in for the NEB is well within thier rights to extend as obviously they thought it was best for the membership.

However, the membership also can respond accordingly via reduced pac donations, discontent, or 1188’s.

Time will tell if it’s the right decision.

I don’t believe it was.

But I wasn’t elected, so it’s not my choice. However, I as an individual member can voice my discontent too. Let’s meet back here in a couple years and see-

You didnt answer my question. Why is this extension bad for NATCA members.

Barreling into Trump EOs with no back up plan is wildly stupid when an opportunity like this was offered. I hope Trump has rubbed 2 brain cells together and doesn't issue those EOs again, but it seems likely.

 

[Gauff]

Under the original Trump EOs the FAA wouldn't even be allowed to negotiate on half of what is in our current contract. You are absolutely delusional if you think we would get a better contract under those EOs.

FAA finance still says we are 100% staffed. The DOT has no back bone to demand more money out of Congressional Appropriations. And they don't give a shit you are burnt out.

Rich 100% would have extended at this point as well. He said it many times during his campaign.

Ok Nick, just put you clown outfit back on


On a serious note could you point anyone in the direction of the previous trump EOs you are talking about? I'm genuinely curious if it is more scare tactics or something that would have done as you say cause I didn't pay attention to them

Or if anyone knows what these scary EOs did in actual practice do I can read and learn

 

[jdatc]

You didnt answer my question. Why is this extension bad for NATCA members.

Barreling into Trump EOs with no back up plan is wildly stupid when an opportunity like this was offered. I hope Trump has rubbed 2 brain cells together and doesn't issue those EOs again, but it seems likely.

The extension is bad because it is highly unlikely to get things fixed in my opinion.

I hope they get TCI fixed, I hope they increase and change CIP, I hope they do a lot of things, I hope they change the bands for lower level facilities and move them up.

Opening contract was a vessel to get us there, and yes, there was a lot of risk. I’m not risk averse, I was a fucking base jumper, lol, but again, the vote was for safe, so here we are.

Now answer my question if you were in for the whitebook and at a high level facility. No need to dox yourself, just tell the truth.

 

[GroundClutter]

Bullshit. Everyone is culpable. Or they deserve to be ousted because they are going along with it.

Who knows what they give up next?

If you aren’t leaving, start finding people to run against them. I will run again, and it won’t be nice, 2 videos and a chill email to try and make people think, it will be calling out all of these fucks and reminding the membership of what they did!

If I go, I'll get back in to vote for you

 

[HurryUpandWait]

You didnt answer my question. Why is this extension bad for NATCA members.

Barreling into Trump EOs with no back up plan is wildly stupid when an opportunity like this was offered. I hope Trump has rubbed 2 brain cells together and doesn't issue those EOs again, but it seems likely.

But you’re forgetting about all of the external factors that have led to the mistrust, frustration, and anger.

You can’t forget the membership was blindsided by the Rinaldi extension and forced to have no voice with that decision (ironic when they claim they are extending so we have a voice) in combination with 4 years of inaction, then a campaign promising to negotiate, mixed with staffing levels at an all-time low- 6 day work weeks- while 114s parade around abusing NATCA funds, the NEB supposedly denying Center upgrades, all for us to end up with an extension of the status quo.

The status quo for most is forced overtime, never working alone being forced to train 24/7, being stuck at your first facility across the country from family, new hires getting placement lists with facilities above you, being faced with the only way to transfer is crossing the line and becoming management, inflation outpacing your pay, health insurance premiums being 3x your pay raise, not being able to buy a house unless you got injured in the military and receive VA disability, and now you can’t receive BAH while you make 60k a year in training, and then being told by your union who is responsible by your pay that your raises are competitive and you should shut tf up.

 

[jdatc]

If I go, I'll get back in to vote for you

I appreciate it, but the simple truth is I’m far and away ahead of most people in this forum because I am at my final facility and capped out and super close to retirement (981 days). This extension doesn’t really hurt me as the odds of raising the cap were very slim, so for me, extending was definitely “safe”

However, the need to open was more for people down the food chain so to speak. People who deserved CIP and weren’t getting it, people who got CIP but it ran out, since it’s capped at 30mil. People at facilities who were getting fucked by the TCI so they didn’t get more pay. People who would have benefited from more compressed pay bands. People who weren’t at a high enough level facility for article 124 to apply to them.

I hope all of these things can be solved outside of opening the contract. If they are, during this extension, I will happily eat my words and give kudos where they are due.

If not, well again, elections have consequences, and I wish you all the best of luck. It’s kind of a dick thing to say; but I’ll be fine.

However, I will run again to provide choice and also help anyone interested that’s still in to run against an incumbent.

Even Krampovotis if he pinky swears not to extend since obviously my RVP shit the bed on what the region wanted per our poll. But hey, I guess the NTSB won’t show up at ZBW for a couple years.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Ok Nick, just put you clown outfit back on


On a serious note could you point anyone in the direction of the previous trump EOs you are talking about? I'm genuinely curious if it is more scare tactics or something that would have done as you say cause I didn't pay attention to them

Or if anyone knows what these scary EOs did in actual practice do I can read and learn

Losing the right for union representation on government time. Aka no more 114s.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

What have we lost?

Purchasing power… For 13 consecutive years

 

[Phillytroll69]

Save this fast I don't know how

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Nick signed the MOU. I think it’s safe to say Mick is not involved with anything. But he needs to speak tf up or he is as good as part of it

Not one word since the election.

My RVP is saying they were never consulted and this was 100% just Nick. This document says the RVPs were consulted. I honestly wonder which is right.

i think it reads that the RVP’s were not consulted about the decision, just informed and notified after it was made.

 

[Gauff]

Losing the right for union representation on government time. Aka no more 114s.

Well obviously that would have killed the union so that's unacceptable!

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Well obviously that would have killed the union so that's unacceptable!

Na. They killed the union on their own and I love it. Every person I know at every facility who was at work today spoke of people going to print out the 1188 forms. I just hope they fill them out and submit them properly. That will be the next big thing, NATCA suing members to recover dues for people who didn't leave the union properly.