Question on how ERR pay raises work

Nothanks said:
Tell me you think this means there are no within grade increases?
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See below

Apparently you have a different definition of pay freeze.

32andBelow said:
You guys are funny if you think we are getting 1.6

The annual length of service adjustment to Basic Pay shall not be granted in any year in which a prohibition on step increases under the General Schedule (GS) is enacted by statute.
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Phanatical said:
For easy math, lets just say you were going to make $80k this year and bottom of band CPC pay at the new facility is $140k. Your start date is May 1. It takes you 2 years to certify.

You get half (meaning $30k) when you walk in the door May 1, 2025 ($110k)
You get the 1.6% raise in June, 2025 ($111,760)
No presidental/executive increase for EOY 25 (assuming)
You get the 1.6% pay raise in June, 2026 ($113,548)
No presidental/executive increase for EOY 26 (assuming)
You certify May 1, 2027 ($143,548)
You get the 1.6% pay raise in June 2027 ($145,845)

and so on....
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Need a little help here…trying to figure out if my pay is wrong…what if your transfer effective date is the same date as the effective 1.6% raise.

6/2/24 was my first day on the new facilities books.
Last years 1.6% was effective 6/2 as well.

Looking at my SF50, they applied the 1.6% raise to my old lower level facility pay first, then applied the 50% ERR increase from that. Is that the proper order for them to do it? Or should I have got my 50% ERR raise first and then had the 1.6% raise based off this much higher number?

I also just certified in May 2025, and my LES showed me exactly at the bottom of the band. This makes me think I didn’t get to keep any of the 1.6% raise from June 2024?

My FOL says upon movement to this higher lvl facility your basic pay will be set at the minimum of the pay band in the new facility. Is this relevant? Should I have been slightly above the bottom of the band after certifying in May? Does the presidential raise in January wipe out my 2024 1.6%?

Who would I contact to get this corrected and explain all of this too?

Thanks!

Termine said:
Is 4% in the contract specifically? Doesn't sound familiar.

It works like this: On the day you transfer, calculate the difference in NON-locality pay between the old and new facilities.

Divide that in half and add that half to the NON-locality pay at the new facility. Keep the other half in mind, you'll need it later. Then add locality pay for the new facility.

If you're still a trainee when June comes around, add the June raise to your current pay. Same in January.

When you finally make CPC, take the old "half" number and add it back in to your current NON-locality pay, then adjust for locality.

The half that you add when you make CPC is exactly the same number as the half that you added back when you transferred. It doesn't get updated or changed if you've gotten a June or January raise in the mean time.
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I think this might explain it. I guess I was supposed to go to the bottom of the band.
 
Question... So if I'm waiting for a TOL and the 1.6% raise in June comes and goes and eventually I get an FOL for later this year... Will I get to keep the 1.6 and other raises while I wait for my eventual release date?
 
jorgeluis161 said:
Question... So if I'm waiting for a TOL and the 1.6% raise in June comes and goes and eventually I get an FOL for later this year... Will I get to keep the 1.6 and other raises while I wait for my eventual release date?
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Date the FOL is issued doesn't matter. What does matter is where you are in the new building (assuming it's a pay raise) before June 1st. You would get the June 1st raise on the new salary which will significantly boosts your lifetime earnings as opposed to getting to your new facility after June 1st.
 
To piggyback off this: Do june raises just get washed away as a cpc-it after you certify or does it basically go on top of the second half on the go?
 
ajmezz said:
To piggyback off this: Do june raises just get washed away as a cpc-it after you certify or does it basically go on top of the second half on the go?
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The second half goes on top of your 1.6% raise when you certify. I was in this situation twice and both times when I certified I was above the band a little from the 1.6.

You TOL or FOL will be adjusted with any new raises in it before you actually move so don’t worry that your FOL numbers will be binding of you have a 1.6 coming afterwards but before the move.
 
Mike Kilo said:
The second half goes on top of your 1.6% raise when you certify. I was in this situation twice and both times when I certified I was above the band a little from the 1.6.

You TOL or FOL will be adjusted with any new raises in it before you actually move so don’t worry that your FOL numbers will be binding of you have a 1.6 coming afterwards but before the move.
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With the “half on the go, other half after cert” do you remember if it was literally the original “half” amount after certification, or if it was just the amount remaining to hit the bottom of the band?

To clarify what I’m asking I guess, let’s say the scenario is your salary currently is 100k, and the facility you’re transferring to has a base amount of 150k. “Half on the go half after cert” would be 25k and 25k. So you show up making 125k, but it takes 3 years to Cert so your salary after 3 years of 1.6’s and January raises is much more than 125…. Would you still get the flat 25k after certifying? Or would you just go to the bottom of the band?
 
ExcessivePhraseology said:
With the “half on the go, other half after cert” do you remember if it was literally the original “half” amount after certification, or if it was just the amount remaining to hit the bottom of the band?

To clarify what I’m asking I guess, let’s say the scenario is your salary currently is 100k, and the facility you’re transferring to has a base amount of 150k. “Half on the go half after cert” would be 25k and 25k. So you show up making 125k, but it takes 3 years to Cert so your salary after 3 years of 1.6’s and January raises is much more than 125…. Would you still get the flat 25k after certifying? Or would you just go to the bottom of the band?
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It’s whatever is left to get you to the bottom of the band. Your 1.6’s get added in on top. So you’ll be making x amount more of the base cpc pending how many 1.6’s you get.
 
ajmezz said:
It’s whatever is left to get you to the bottom of the band. Your 1.6’s get added in on top. So you’ll be making x amount more of the base cpc pending how many 1.6’s you get.
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This is untrue. It’s a hard 25k upon cert and you’ll be above the bottom of the band due to the 1.6s
 
Move78 said:
This is untrue. It’s a hard 25k upon cert and you’ll be above the bottom of the band due to the 1.6s
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Oh ok, I couldn’t remember exactly how without looking at the calculation sheet hr provided. Regardless you’re at the bottom of the band and 1.6’s put you above.
 

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