novemberzulu75
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Can someone send me the full list. I was only able to see the redacted.
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the inquirer
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But we also need some more professionalism in our career. I’m tired of watching people who suck get so many tries
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It’s on the NATCA website
It's also exhausting watching trainers that suck at training wash people out and brag about it when that individual actually had a shot
I don’t know who told you that but it’s not true.
It’s an Agency SOP not an MOU.
Yeah it's an SOP but NATCA is essentially saying they are why it's being implemented and that it's better than before
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This is a good point. So what do you think is worse about it? That picture says it guarantees return rights and evens the playing field on placements.
Also what contractual rights are you referring to?
The fast track option is improved now because your previous facility can be at 100% and doesn't have to be below 100%.
What's worse in my opinion is now you are limited to a list of 5 facilities that are within 40 miles of the facility you are washing out of and they are the 5 lowest staffed facilities. You used to just get a list with pretty much any facility under 100% for whatever level you were recommended for and below, that was much better.
Now if you get placed at a center way away from home and wash out, you won't have the option of even going to a low level 4 or 5 near where home is. It strips better options away from the member for the betterment of the FAA.
I wasn't the one that mentioned giving up contractual rights, but with NATCA signing on and promoting this, it is then agreeing to strip placement protections from its members. While not a contractual right it's still not something they should voluntarily agree to even id they don't have a say at the end of the day.
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All of these processes only help the agency. What we should fight for is fully free transfers. If there’s an opening and you have the qualifications to fill the opening you should be able to apply and get hired no matter what, just like every other job.
Now that the agency lets people pick any center(2slots each) from academy, most people are “getting to go back home” right away now anyways
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I don't understand why even limit it to 2. Can you imagine getting cockblocked from a medium-demand facility like ZID or ZMP because two people chose it ahead of you, while the classes before and after yours didn't have anyone go there?
And all this does is encourage that grad to choose the easiest-to-escape center on the list, spend a ton of time training at a facility they are going to try to leave almost immediately.
BTW are there any centers NOT available to grads? I thought there was some caveat to the new rules.
Well they get 5 of each group they qualify for so the lists are still 30-40 facilities. But NEST is supposed to be there to save your job not get you your pick of the whole NAS.
I thought it just said you get a list of the 5 lowest staffed facilities that you qualify for and are also only afforded 3 lvls to choose from. so if they say you qualify for a lvl 9 the you get 5 facilities that are either a lvl 7, lvl 8, or lvl 9.
I could be wrong how I'm interpreting it I guess. Maybe it's not quite as restrictive as I'm thinking, but it's definitely more restrictive still.
Yeah I get that the NEST is their to save your job and not for you to get a facility you really want, but it's still not appropriate for the Union to agree to something that strips more options from its members.
At the end of the day NATCA likely wouldn't have had a say anyway but it's weird for them to tout this as a better thing for the members when it really isn't. It's really not gonna affect most members anyway so whatever but still odd for them to support in my opinion.
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If I knock my wife up, go on PPL and then work like an idiot until they wash me can I go to the nest?
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I don't see why not. The danger there is they patched the nest hack and you might get a really shitty list with no desirable facilities you want and then what? Or maybe you get a place you want, go there and have trouble checking out for whatever reason and then you've failed twice in a row and get terminated. I've also never heard of anyone doing this so you can be a guinea pig and report back to let us know if this is the new meta.
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And furthermore, any dick-riding NATCA rep that thinks anyone at a low level facility (especially 4s) should be maxing their PAC contributions is a fucking tool and shouldn’t be a rep. 25-50 per pay period is PLENTY for a lot of people to check that box. Networking is key, as is so with everything. But this shouldn’t be a popularity contest to put up numbers for national reps taking politicians out on a lavish yacht party just because you’re trying to get you and your family somewhere.
Always renew your paperwork, even if you know your present facility cannot release! Not doing so gives these snake union reps yet another reason to not negotiate for better movement because “according to our numbers, only like 7% of controllers within the NAS want to move.” I know it sucks, and frankly, I’m stuck like you are. But to anyone and everyone that wants to move, PUT IN YOUR FUCKING PAPERWORK! Yes you still have to fax it in 2026, but is it really that bad compared to potentially being stuck somewhere for an entire career when you, me, we all could’ve done a little something about it to maybe make things better? My $0.02. And yes, I’ve been told by an NCEPT rep that this is a valid reason why National doesn’t really fight for movement, among basically everything else…
Brand new checkouts? Try brand new fucking academy grads.
I’m not torching you this system is just fuqd.
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58 ERR inbound request for DEN and the best they could do was FCM FCM SQL and LAN for 4/5 transfers? What a joke.
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I mean, from the FAA's point of view, it's a great deal. FCM and LAN are 6-8 month checkouts and those transfers will probably all make it at DEN. So the FAA has invested very little training time to prepare CPCs to transfer to DEN. And replacements are cheap and quick to train.
Compare that to sending someone from an up/down that has a 2-year training time. That person will also likely checkout at DEN, but you've spent way more time and money training them to prepare for DEN. And it's harder to backfill that position, and more expensive and time consuming to train a replacement with higher chance of washing.
I'm not saying it's fair. But I can guarantee you that this is part of the FAA's logic. Little Nickie and NATCA should be fighting this tooth and nail. The whole placement system is better now which solved half the problem. Transferring still sucks. But there is a "lost generation" of CPCs that are basically stuck at their lvl 7s and below, far from home for life. Where the fuck is little Nickie.
Yeah. If levels don’t matter for transferring they shouldn’t matter for pay either. If a level 12 is easy enough that a brand new checkout from the slowest facilities in the country are qualified everyone should get 12 pay.
