February (Q2) 2024

[Acquired Taste]

February 13, 2024 NCEPT Timeline​

• Friday, 19 January – ERR submission deadline
  • Must be received by 23:59EST
• Monday, 22 January–Facilities shall update SWB
  • Must be completed by 8:30 am EST
• Tuesday, 23 January – HR Staffing Workbook entries completed by 8:30 am EST
• Wednesday, 24 January – Facility Priority Placement Tool
• Friday, 26 January– NCEPT data run
  • Every ERR package must be uploaded by 8:30 am EST
• Monday, 29 January – HR resume upload begins
• Friday, 2 February – HR resume upload complete
• Monday, 5 February – Manager Ranking List published (Opened)
• Friday, 9 February – Manager Rankings completed (Closed)
• Monday, 12 February – AJG-P21 prepares data for NCEPT board
• Tuesday, 13 February – NCEPT convenes/adjourns

Round 1 

• Releasing facility must be at or above 85% current % CPC to Target (column L of the PPT) and at or above 85% Projected % to Target *(column AA of the PPT).
• Releases stop when the facility drops below 85% Current or 85% Projected % to Target.
• Gaining facility must be below 90% of the Projected to Target.

Facilities will make one selection at a time; the selection order will be based on the most recent decision lens agreement (DLA). Once every facility eligible to gain has made one selection (if available), this process will repeat, beginning at the first facility on the DLA until all possible selections have been made. Facilities will no longer make selections once they reach 90% of the Projected to Target.

Round 2 

• Releasing facility must be at or above 85% current % CPC to Target (column L of the PPT) and at or above 85% Projected % to Target *(column AA of the PPT).
• Releases stop when the facility drops below 85% Current or 85% Projected % to Target.
• Gaining facility must be below 100% Projected to target.

Facilities will make one selection at a time; the selection order will be based on the most recent decision lens agreement (DLA). Once every facility eligible to gain has made one selection (if available), this process will repeat, beginning at the first facility on the DLA until all possible selections have been made. Facilities will no longer make selections once they reach 100% Projected to Target.

A80/MIA/ZOA Priority Release MOU Selections

• A80/MIA/ZOA Priority Release MOU Selections will be made at the conclusion of the traditional NCEPT Panel
• Selection order will be based on the facility with the fewest number of inbound ERRs as a percentage of vacancies (selections to projected National Average)

 

[magnavoxe]

If im waiting on someone to cpc to get at or above 85%, when is the latest he can be certified? Jan 22nd?

 

[Phanatical]

Realistically, probably the 21st unless your ATM is a real go-getter in the morning.

 

[hpwjuicebox]

ZBW and ZHU both with 2 potential loses. 4 total potential loses for all the Zs as of December.

 

[Maverick]

So what it sounds like is that those three facilities are having their own little “NCEPT” 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[CaptainObvious]

They need to use national average. It would hurt the FAA more. We’re already short staffed so fuck it.

 

[32andBelow]

ZBW and ZHU both with 2 potential loses. 4 total potential loses for all the Zs as of December.

Totally reasonable system where half the controllers have no chance

 

[PerchPerkins]

So you still gotta be at or above 85% to go to A80/MIA/ZOA?

 

[Acquired Taste]

So you still gotta be at or above 85% to go to A80/MIA/ZOA?

No, those moves will occur after every other possible ncept move has been made. So it's extremely likely they are only pulling from red facilities by the time they all select. Based on the most current demand sheet, ZOA will make their selections first followed by MIA and then A80.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

They need to use national average. It would hurt the FAA more. We’re already short staffed so fuck it.

It used to be like that, then there were mass release when the national average was down to 80%, the NCEPT creators didn’t take into account that when you do big releases is would lower the national fully certified CPC rate and be cumulative quarter after quarter.

Then they got “smart” and made it a hard 85% and it did reduce releases.

 

[PerchPerkins]

No, those moves will occur after every other possible ncept move has been made. So it's extremely likely they are only pulling from red facilities by the time they all select. Based on the most current demand sheet, ZOA will make their selections first followed by MIA and then A80.

They’ll pull from red facilities?? No wayyyy. I won’t believe it until I see it

 

[Acquired Taste]

They’ll pull from red facilities?? No wayyyy. I won’t believe it until I see it

There won't be and green facilities left after the panel

 

[Move78]

They need to use national average. It would hurt the FAA more. We’re already short staffed so fuck it.

The FAA approves ERRs. The FAA isn’t going to hurt the FAA on purpose.

Totally reasonable system where half the controllers have no chance

None of it functions properly because there aren’t nearly enough controllers in the system. But you don’t care about staffing right? Staffing and working conditions aren’t a union’s concern…
It’s almost as if such things negatively effect other things.

 

[ATCJockey]

NCEPT results released Feb 14th. Sounds like a lot of people are getting fucked that day...just not the way they wanted #Nceptsucks

 

[AB19]

No, those moves will occur after every other possible ncept move has been made. So it's extremely likely they are only pulling from red facilities by the time they all select. Based on the most current demand sheet, ZOA will make their selections first followed by MIA and then A80.

No shot they do that

 

[32andBelow]

None of it functions properly because there aren’t nearly enough controllers in the system. But you don’t care about staffing right? Staffing and working conditions aren’t a union’s concern…
It’s almost as if such things negatively affect other things.

there’s areas that would have zero problem releasing people. But they have to be in some combined number with other sectors that they aren’t even qualified to work.

 

[PerchPerkins]

There won't be and green facilities left after the panel

The FAA approves ERRs. The FAA isn’t going to hurt the FAA on purpose.

That’s where you’re wrong 👈🏻😎👈🏻 they’ll do it on accident

 

[Move78]

No shot they do that

It’s the whole point of the MOU

there’s areas that would have zero problem releasing people. But they have to be in some combined number with other sectors that they aren’t even qualified to work.

Says who? Just some controller’s opinion? Or a negotiated staffing target? There’s risk to cutting up the centers/tracons by area because the agency would move to then pay them by area because it will result in huge net negative in wages.

 

[AB19]

It’s the whole point of the MOU

I thought the MOU was the same thing as the ZJX one where if you got picked up you had a priority release

 

[ncssailor]

Says who? Just some controller’s opinion? Or a negotiated staffing target? There’s risk to cutting up the centers/tracons by area because the agency would move to then pay them by area because it will result in huge net negative in wages.

That’s how it should go, all pay should be based on traffic in the specific area. So instead you have a bunch of people making more money based on the work of others working the busier traffic. BS anyone justifying it knows they are in the slower area.
Honestly I think the downgrades are a good thing, level the playing field for what work is being performed. Don’t bore me with passenger counts.