ManBearPig
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You guys are mad trainees at the academy got a raise? Seriously? Wtf is wrong with you guys.
Academy Trainees Just Got a 30% Pay Raise
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I don't think there's anyone here that is mad at that. They are mad that Nick refuses to talk about or advocate for a pay raise for us when it's obvious that they want to give us a pay raise. They literally gave a pay raise to academy trainees because that's the only group of "air traffic controllers" that they can since Nick refuses to talk about pay for us
ManBearPig
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How do you know Nick hasn't talked about it with the FAA? You guys need to get a grip.
Because he's talked about everything else except pay, he had a lawyer do a presentation about how we're paid enough, he ignores the membership regarding pay, he spends more time advocating for FAA concerns than controller concerns, he represents a slew ball more than a dues paying member.
Walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, is probably a duck. He's given no one any reason to feel like he can handle our concerns.
32andBelow
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Cus he refuses to tell the membership about it so we just have to go with what we know. We’ll see what he says today on the webinar.
bomber996
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Legitimate question... Have you attended any of the town hall events or been to a recent NATCA event? I ask because what you're saying is not true to what I have personally witnessed. I'm wondering where the disconnect is.
Expectvectors24
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Nick Daniels couldn’t advocate needing a break to take a shit at a meeting let alone fight for anyone who’s a dues paying member.
Only on my breaks when I can tune in, what plan has he conveyed regarding increasing our pay?
32andBelow
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I’ve called into every town hall. He has never mentioned anything specific about what he’s doing.
None he has refused to talk about it on all of the town halls
ClearanceClarence
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Correct. I’ve sat in on a few myself too and everything is ridiculous political hyperbole. There’s no substance to anything he says. It’s all buzz words and/or generalizations like “there’s a strategy in progress” without ever producing any actual details or a gameplan to how anything is going to get done.
Sassyquatch
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I attended atx AND called in on numerous Town Hall meetings. He never mentions pay and the few times people have asked, he talks in circles and doesn't even give a straight answer even though every response he gives is like 10+ minutes long. I did sit in on the pay and benefits class and can attest that they in fact made the claim that our pay is not only keeping up with inflation, but keeping up with the rest of the industry and that "1.6% is good enough and exceeds the industry standard".
I'm genuinely curious, what have you personally witnessed to make the claim that it's not true? A brief interview on the news of him saying the word "pay" isn't good enough. He knows what the members want, what we need in order to be a competitive career field, and only cares about carrying the NATCA president title and nothing else.
For those people still foolish enough to think we should've tried negotiating with this administration, we'll be lucky if even extending protects us from anything at all.
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Trump Administration Orders IRS Workers Back To Office, Ignoring Union Contract
Treasury employees are "furious" about a new return-to-office mandate that their union says clearly violates the collective bargaining agreement.
RTO doesnt affect us, and the Republicans have axes to grind with the IRS in general. We are currently among the very few feds that are in any way in a favorable light and a position to bargain. The public has an idea of what we do, how important and overworked we are, the airline industry wants us, GA wants us, we're in a better position than we were under Biden.For those people still foolish enough to think we should've tried negotiating with this administration, we'll be lucky if even extending protects us from anything at all.
Trump Administration Orders IRS Workers Back To Office, Ignoring Union Contract
Treasury employees are "furious" about a new return-to-office mandate that their union says clearly violates the collective bargaining agreement.
My point is they're blatantly ignoring contractual agreements, and would have no problem forcing any kind of bullshit they want on us in a negotiation (even moreso than the white book, since this time they don't care about laws/rules).
Have you looked at the comments on the FAA job announcements? The occasional time an actual controller posts complaining about our raises not keeping up, it's a barrage of people attacking them for complaining about making 6 figures. Yes, there are some comments from others about how we are overworked and underpaid as well, but to claim we are in a "good position" to bargain with this administration is not grounded in reality based on the opposing team.
On a different/good note, Elon has commented about how Congress and other high level officials should be getting paid more, both of which are true. If they actually bump up the executive schedules, they could inadvertently increase our federal caps.
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RTO doesn’t affect us? Finding parking on weekday swings has become a real pain in the ass.
I agree with you on the congressional raises being good.
After Duffy just giving out a 30% raise to academy goers, I have a hard time believing that discussing pay for controllers is not a good idea.
Even tabling it for the sheer concept is intelligent.
Utilizing it as a means to prevent the mass exodus in 5 years needs to be highlighted as a way to keep controllers past their retirement.
Proposing it as an incentive for "smart" people who go to other sectors promotes recruitment.
Musk, Duffy, and Trump need the concept given to them so they can take the credit.
Staying mute about pay is the worst strategy thinkable when we're so highlighted.
That's full of great ideas and all, but even on their own page (follow that 30% academy raise link)-
- Increase starting salaries by 30% for candidates who go to the Academy.
- The average certified professional controller makes over $160,000 per year.
Who knows, maybe we could make all these arguments, then somehow get them to set up some theoretical agreement to override our existing contract, but only if we both agree to it once it's finalized so we only take it if it's an improvement. Don't know if something like that is even possible.
I don't necessarily care whether it can or can't be done right now, my issue is that it's not being talked about. Its not for discussion, when it should be something we constantly talked about. It should be brought up at every opportunity whether people think we can or can't get it. Playing dumb because we think we cant get it just kills the opportunity without attempt. I and I assume many others, would be content with our Union trying...just attempting...
My problem is this, when the administration blamed DEI practices for the staffing or controlling ability or whatever Natca was everywhere saying this is a lie.
When the Admin says controllers are making 160k a year a year after checking out there’s radio silence which would imply to outsiders that’s what every controller makes
