Hiring Bid Air Traffic Control Specialist - Trainee: FAA-ATO-17-ALLSRCE-53474

[breakaway2000]

Ahhhh! I see. the table I see on this KSN website is pretty limited. so Why did they hire for two fiscal years? and what's stopping them from doing the same thing this year?

2016 was the first year the AT-SA was used. The FAA was expecting the AT-SA to filter out more candidates then it's predecessor, the AT-SAT. It did not. With 3,000+ Band 1 candidates, they were forced with a dilemma. If they only hired for one fiscal year, they would eliminate ~1,500 candidates that they deem the most qualified. They would then risk losing those candidates (aging out, apathy, different career path, etc) not to mention the additional costs and resources involved relating to re-applying, re-testing, etc. They made the right decision in keeping all the band 1 candidates and hiring for two fiscal years.

Why wouldn't they do it again this year? Last year was an anomaly. They currently have a year+ backlog at the academy. The majority of candidates won't see the academy until fiscal year 2019, possibly stretching into 2020. To be honest, I was surprised they had a hiring panel this year. At it's core, the reason they won't hire for two fiscal years this time is the current backlog and the fact they can exhaust Band 1 applicants this panel and still fall close to their ~1,400 projection.

 

[Mike A.]

You are 50% correct buddy! I worked for the TSA for less than a year (incorrect part)!
However, I had to apply like everyone else and go through the ENTIRE process (correct portion). I was never a new hire in the eyes of the government I was an agency transfer.

Yea except I never said anything about whether you would look like a new hire. I said you apply like everyone else.

 

[jyuuu]

Yea except I never said anything about whether you would look like a new hire. I said you apply like everyone else.

i think he was referring to me about the incorrect bit! im sorry about causing this small off topic discussion and think we should all move on!

 

[Southern]

Pretty sure you have nothing to be sorry about JacobM, not like you did anything wrong asking an innocent question.

 

[Bart Harley Jarvis]

2016 was the first year the AT-SA was used. The FAA was expecting the AT-SA to filter out more candidates then it's predecessor, the AT-SAT. It did not. With 3,000+ Band 1 candidates, they were forced with a dilemma. If they only hired for one fiscal year, they would eliminate ~1,500 candidates that they deem the most qualified. They would then risk losing those candidates (aging out, apathy, different career path, etc) not to mention the additional costs and resources involved relating to re-applying, re-testing, etc. They made the right decision in keeping all the band 1 candidates and hiring for two fiscal years.

Why wouldn't they do it again this year? Last year was an anomaly. They currently have a year+ backlog at the academy. The majority of candidates won't see the academy until fiscal year 2019, possibly stretching into 2020. To be honest, I was surprised they had a hiring panel this year. At it's core, the reason they won't hire for two fiscal years this time is the current backlog and the fact they can exhaust Band 1 applicants this panel and still fall close to their ~1,400 projection.

Uhhhhh I know this process isn't exactly a quick one but if I get a TOL in a month I doubt I'll be waiting until 2020....late next year/early 2019 maybe but 2020 seems like a bit of a stretch, or at least I'd hope...

 

[MJ]

Uhhhhh I know this process isn't exactly a quick one but if I get a TOL in a month I doubt I'll be waiting until 2020....late next year/early 2019 maybe but 2020 seems like a bit of a stretch, or at least I'd hope...

Sounds like a challenge.

The sub-2 year on-boarding is relatively new. It is not outside the realm of realistic possibilities for it to happen again.

 

[breakaway2000]

Uhhhhh I know this process isn't exactly a quick one but if I get a TOL in a month I doubt I'll be waiting until 2020....late next year/early 2019 maybe but 2020 seems like a bit of a stretch, or at least I'd hope...

FAA fiscal years run October 1st through September 30

FY2019 = Oct 1, 2018 - September 30, 2019
FY2020 = Oct 1, 2019 - September 30, 2020

1,900 people from the 2016 bid have not attended the academy yet. The academy has a maximum capacity of ~1,500 students a year. Add another 1,400-1,500 applicants from this panel and a number of people will not see the Academy until FY2020. The old FAA motto still rings true...Hope for the best, be prepared for the worst.

 

[Bart Harley Jarvis]

FAA fiscal years run October 1st through September 30

FY2019 = Oct 1, 2018 - September 30, 2019
FY2020 = Oct 1, 2019 - September 30, 2020

1,900 people from the 2016 bid have not attended the academy yet. The academy has a maximum capacity of ~1,500 students a year. Add another 1,400-1,500 applicants from this panel and a number of people will not see the Academy until FY2020. The old FAA motto still rings true...Hope for the best, be prepared for the worst.

Well..... Damn. Still have to get a TOL first obviously but still

 

[Bart Harley Jarvis]

FAA fiscal years run October 1st through September 30

FY2019 = Oct 1, 2018 - September 30, 2019
FY2020 = Oct 1, 2019 - September 30, 2020

1,900 people from the 2016 bid have not attended the academy yet. The academy has a maximum capacity of ~1,500 students a year. Add another 1,400-1,500 applicants from this panel and a number of people will not see the Academy until FY2020. The old FAA motto still rings true...Hope for the best, be prepared for the worst.

Once everyone gets their TOL's do pool 1 candidates usually start going to the academy first or is it just a mixed bag of whoever is lucky enough to finish all the steps first and get the A-OK from the flight surgeon?

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

Once everyone gets their TOL's do pool 1 candidates usually start going to the academy first or is it just a mixed bag of whoever is lucky enough to finish all the steps first and get the A-OK from the flight surgeon?

Whoever finished their clearances first

 

[Bart Harley Jarvis]

Sounds like a challenge.

The sub-2 year on-boarding is relatively new. It is not outside the realm of realistic possibilities for it to happen again.

It used to take longer than 2 years to get into training? It takes 18 months for the FBI and I thought that was long lol.

 

[boilergirl87]

It used to take longer than 2 years to get into training? It takes 18 months for the FBI and I thought that was long lol.

2 people from my facility were hired on the 2009 off the street bid and they didn't start training until 2013. I myself waited for 2 1/2 years back in 2012. 2 years + was the norm back in the day

 

[CF]

It used to take longer than 2 years to get into training? It takes 18 months for the FBI and I thought that was long lol.

They give you a tentative security clearance until the full background is done. I got mine in less than a month and never heard about the full clearance being completed, I guess they could still be working on it.

 

[Flashy Vectors]

USA jobs shows referred no email but hoping for a TOL sometime in the next 2 months. At least I have a decent paying job for the next 2 years if I ever get to the academy.

 

[B2-Arty]

Out of curiousity, what email address are we looking for in regards to TOL issuance around next month?
Still trying to make sure if one does get issued I wont miss it in the spam filter.
Thanks!

 

[Flashy Vectors]

Out of curiousity, what email address are we looking for in regards to TOL issuance around next month?
Still trying to make sure if one does get issued I wont miss it in the spam filter.
Thanks!

I believe it’s from the faa email that sent out the atsa invitations

 

[CF]

Out of curiousity, what email address are we looking for in regards to TOL issuance around next month?
Still trying to make sure if one does get issued I wont miss it in the spam filter.
Thanks!

2016 bid mine came from an actual HR employee, Firstname.Lastname@faa(dot)gov

 

[JBabs]

Out of curiousity, what email address are we looking for in regards to TOL issuance around next month?
Still trying to make sure if one does get issued I wont miss it in the spam filter.
Thanks!

What mrobs said. Also, many people got informed from the Patriots email which was a disaster but I am sure there was some meaning behind it. Anyways, you respond to it but never get a confirmation and eventually you end up getting assigned an HR rep at a later time and have to resend your TOL. Fun stuff!

 

[Bart Harley Jarvis]

2 people from my facility were hired on the 2009 off the street bid and they didn't start training until 2013. I myself waited for 2 1/2 years back in 2012. 2 years + was the norm back in the day

That's crazy...

 

[StealthChain]

They give you a tentative security clearance until the full background is done. I got mine in less than a month and never heard about the full clearance being completed, I guess they could still be working on it.

You'll likely never hear that it is completed. Only if you get denied, in which case you'll likely be taken out of the position I assume. I got a clearance when I first went active duty and never had a clue until I got to my first duty station about 9 months later and they had to pull my information to verify my clearance.