Hiring Bid Air Traffic Control Specialist - Trainee: FAA-ATO-18-ALLSRCE-57792

[epiwssa]

They want to clairify whatever they’re asking about. Its Better than having to wait for a full investigation.

Cool, that's what I was thinking. Thanks a ton.

I had to supply more info to my security poc myself. Was your inquiry from your poc or an investigator?

Mine came directly from my security POC.

 

[Extrarely]

Has the second round of TOL's gone out? I am still stuck on referred stage in pool 2. Kind of getting nervous that i didn't get the job.
Also: I recently filled out and completed an E-Quip while seeking employment with the TSA. Would i have to fill out another E-Quip or could i use the same one from the TSA job. It was filled and completed less then 6 months ago.

I spoke with HR right after the shutdown ended, they said the selected applicants were sent TOLs and that they would keep the bid open for additional hires as the ATO requests them. From what I’ve read in other threads, they do usually send out another wave of TOLs, I think last year it was around this time, same for 2017.

 

[artur19922]

I spoke with HR right after the shutdown ended, they said the selected applicants were sent TOLs and that they would keep the bid open for additional hires as the ATO requests them. From what I’ve read in other threads, they do usually send out another wave of TOLs, I think last year it was around this time, same for 2017.

Are you sure? Maybe I am incorrect but I am almost 100% certain that one of those bids only had one wave because I definitely remember going through those threads and one of those bids having two waves, while the other having just one.

I just don't believe the chances are very high, if at all, for any more waves for this bid. There was another bid scheduled to open sometime early in January as posted by NATCA and calls to HR confirmed.

 

[randoturbo33]

My understanding has always been that future "waves" of TOLs are more like "trickles" of one or two here and there. For example, if more people than expected were found ineligible for medical reasons, HR might send out additional TOLs to try to hit their hiring targets, but I'd be shocked if this was more than 5-10 additional TOLs total. At this point it's probably best to just accept that you're not getting hired on this bid, and if a TOL does manage to come your way it'll be an unexpected and pleasant surprise.

 

[Extrarely]

Typical boring Sunday here in the middle of Georgia so I did some exploring on the previous bids. 2016 bid had TOL's go out on 1/6, 1/13, 1/24, 2/2, 2/3, 2/6, 2/7, 2/14, 2/24, 3/1, and 3/6. 2017 bid had offers on 12/27, 1/6, and 1/24. It looked like a lot of these bids started out with 10 point vets getting offers, followed by 5pt, CTI and then OTS. Being a government agency, the FAA can pretty much do it whichever way they want, as long as they stay within the 10% threshold. I'm thinking a few more will get hired like Rando said above, but it won't be hundreds more. Only time will tell.

If you really want to get into ATC, you can also go military... I personally am cross training into ATC with the Air Guard in June, unless I can get an FAA TOL prior to my re-enlistment.

 

[artur19922]

Typical boring Sunday here in the middle of Georgia so I did some exploring on the previous bids. 2016 bid had TOL's go out on 1/6, 1/13, 1/24, 2/2, 2/3, 2/6, 2/7, 2/14, 2/24, 3/1, and 3/6. 2017 bid had offers on 12/27, 1/6, and 1/24. It looked like a lot of these bids started out with 10 point vets getting offers, followed by 5pt, CTI and then OTS. Being a government agency, the FAA can pretty much do it whichever way they want, as long as they stay within the 10% threshold. I'm thinking a few more will get hired like Rando said above, but it won't be hundreds more. Only time will tell.

If you really want to get into ATC, you can also go military... I personally am cross training into ATC with the Air Guard in June, unless I can get an FAA TOL prior to my re-enlistment.

Doesn't that just mean that for 2016, Pool 1 and Pool 2 were sent out separately but there was only one wave for each?

Extrarely are you sure the benefits out weigh the potential negatives of you re-enlisting? I considered it as an option as well but since I got referred on my first attempt and can apply 5-6 more times before I age out, don't think committing myself to military for several years is worth it. Considering next application cycle I have a decent chance of getting in as is and you as well, since you were also referred. Not trying to doubt your decision, just wondering what your thoughts are because I am still considering military but can't find enough positives to justify the negatives. With the biggest negative being that I can't get into the FAA during the years that I am in service, where I might have been able to have gotten a TOL during the next bid or the one after that had I not enlisted. Nor can the military guarantee that they will give you enough hours during your enlistment to get certified or that you would get certified at all before your enlistment is over. Please correct me if any of this is wrong because I was seriously considering going the Air National guard or Air Force route to eventually get hired by the FAA.

 

[TushingPin]

Doesn't that just mean that for 2016, Pool 1 and Pool 2 were sent out separately but there was only one wave for each?

Extrarely are you sure the benefits out weigh the potential negatives of you re-enlisting? I considered it as an option as well but since I got referred on my first attempt and can apply 5-6 more times before I age out, don't think committing myself to military for several years is worth it. Considering next application cycle I have a decent chance of getting in as is and you as well, since you were also referred. Not trying to doubt your decision, just wondering what your thoughts are because I am still considering military but can't find enough positives to justify the negatives. With the biggest negative being that I can't get into the FAA during the years that I am in service, where I might have been able to have gotten a TOL during the next bid or the one after that had I not enlisted. Nor can the military guarantee that they will give you enough hours during your enlistment to get certified or that you would get certified at all before your enlistment is over. Please correct me if any of this is wrong because I was seriously considering going the Air National guard or Air Force route to eventually get hired by the FAA.

Air national guard requires a 6 year commitment of one weekend a month and 3 weeks in the summer. Total ups and downsides to it though. The training will take you around a year and a half (month and a half basic, 4.5 months of tech school and somewhere from 8-12 months of upgrade training). None of the above training counts towards your 52 weeks. But the plus sides are you're working air traffic and theres a bunch of other positives. Feel free to ask if you have other questions.

 

[Extrarely]

Doesn't that just mean that for 2016, Pool 1 and Pool 2 were sent out separately but there was only one wave for each?

Extrarely are you sure the benefits out weigh the potential negatives of you re-enlisting? I considered it as an option as well but since I got referred on my first attempt and can apply 5-6 more times before I age out, don't think committing myself to military for several years is worth it. Considering next application cycle I have a decent chance of getting in as is and you as well, since you were also referred. Not trying to doubt your decision, just wondering what your thoughts are because I am still considering military but can't find enough positives to justify the negatives. With the biggest negative being that I can't get into the FAA during the years that I am in service, where I might have been able to have gotten a TOL during the next bid or the one after that had I not enlisted. Nor can the military guarantee that they will give you enough hours during your enlistment to get certified or that you would get certified at all before your enlistment is over. Please correct me if any of this is wrong because I was seriously considering going the Air National guard or Air Force route to eventually get hired by the FAA.

Fair points but I’ve already got 10 years in the Guard, doing another 6 years part isn’t a big deal to me, especially since they’re offering a $15k bonus, for 2 days a month it isn’t terrible. If I do get a TOL, I would plan on staying in the Guard as a Maintainer anyway, that’s why I’d like to get a TOL soon before I commit to re-training. Its an easy gig with another retirement for down the road.

It probably depends on where you enlist but some of the units I’ve looked at said you can get certified pretty quickly (1-2 years following tech school).

 

[artur19922]

Fair points but I’ve already got 10 years in the Guard, doing another 6 years part isn’t a big deal to me, especially since they’re offering a $15k bonus, for 2 days a month it isn’t terrible. If I do get a TOL, I would plan on staying in the Guard as a Maintainer anyway, that’s why I’d like to get a TOL soon before I commit to re-training. Its an easy gig with another retirement for down the road.

It probably depends on where you enlist but some of the units I’ve looked at said you can get certified pretty quickly (1-2 years following tech school).

Air national guard requires a 6 year commitment of one weekend a month and 3 weeks in the summer. Total ups and downsides to it though. The training will take you around a year and a half (month and a half basic, 4.5 months of tech school and somewhere from 8-12 months of upgrade training). None of the above training counts towards your 52 weeks. But the plus sides are you're working air traffic and theres a bunch of other positives. Feel free to ask if you have other questions.

Thank you guys for your responses, I do appreciate them. I know that time-wise, Air-national guard does not require as much of a commitment, day to day, as other branches do and that was a motivating factor but not being able to get into the FAA while enlisted really is what dissuades me.

 

[Extrarely]

Thank you guys for your responses, I do appreciate them. I know that time-wise, Air-national guard does not require as much of a commitment, day to day, as other branches do and that was a motivating factor but not being able to get into the FAA while enlisted really is what dissuades me.

Good thing is, if you go Guard or Reserve, you still have a life on the outside. The whole idea is to serve part time and pretty much deploy or go on TDY when you want to, which is how my entire career has been. Only thing you have to get through is the full time training, after that it’s a part time job paying $400 a month. If you have any questions, feel free to ask myself through message or I’m sure others here are just as willing to help!

 

[TushingPin]

Fair points but I’ve already got 10 years in the Guard, doing another 6 years part isn’t a big deal to me, especially since they’re offering a $15k bonus, for 2 days a month it isn’t terrible. If I do get a TOL, I would plan on staying in the Guard as a Maintainer anyway, that’s why I’d like to get a TOL soon before I commit to re-training. Its an easy gig with another retirement for down the road.

It probably depends on where you enlist but some of the units I’ve looked at said you can get certified pretty quickly (1-2 years following tech school).

Right. The 1 to 2 years is your follow on training that is full time. You do nothing else but train. If you're already in the air force you have about 12 to 16 months of training ahead of you

 

[Extrarely]

Right. The 1 to 2 years is your follow on training that is full time. You do nothing else but train. If you're already in the air force you have about 12 to 16 months of training ahead of you

Is that the same for the Guard? I was told maybe up to 6 months of OJT but that’s up the good ol budget.

 

[TushingPin]

Is that the same for the Guard? I was told maybe up to 6 months of OJT but that’s up the good ol budget.

You have to get checked out. Facility rated. In the tower or radar (not sure which facility you're going to). Each unit has a different amount of training time. The training time is NOT dictated by budget. It is dictated by your ability to get checked out or not. Tech school is atleast 4 months.

 

[Extrarely]

You have to get checked out. Facility rated. In the tower or radar (not sure which facility you're going to). Each unit has a different amount of training time. The training time is NOT dictated by budget. It is dictated by your ability to get checked out or not. Tech school is atleast 4 months.

Fair enough, didn’t know that. I’m considering the Cheyenne Guard right now. But like I said, we’ll see what happens with this bid first.

 

[barbaricyawp]

So I've taken the MMPI-2, I've mailed out my fingerprints, released my eQIP, scheduled my medical for early March, and submitted my medical worksheet. I can't help but feel like I'm forgetting something... I'm guessing I'll hear about the drug test later? I was having issues with my email address so hopefully I didn't miss any.

 

[HanZobro]

You will receive another email from your medical poc with instructions on how to sign up and fill out your medxpress information online. That email will also have information on how to setup your drug test. My original medical email said that I would receive my medxpress email within 5 days of my appointment, but I got mine on the 20th and my appointment for medical is on the 28th.

 

[yup]

Professional courtesy/background investigation question for the old-timers keeping an eye on this thread.

I'm considering accepting a job offer, changing companies (because I'm not counting on the FAA until I'm certified, like everyone says). At what point in the application/offer/acceptance process should I tell the new job I'm applying to the FAA? I could get an FOL in two months, I could go Tier 2 and it'll be two years from now if ever.
Will I have any warning as to when my employers will be contacted?

 

[Itsallgucci]

Last hurdle left for me is the drug test and physical on Tuesday, and I guess we just wait for the FOL? BTW does anyone know if you can be tier II'ed for anything other than your MMPI?

 

[sizziano]

Last hurdle left for me is the drug test and physical on Tuesday, and I guess we just wait for the FOL? BTW does anyone know if you can be tier II'ed for anything other than your MMPI?

Yes and no.

 

[TushingPin]

Professional courtesy/background investigation question for the old-timers keeping an eye on this thread.

I'm considering accepting a job offer, changing companies (because I'm not counting on the FAA until I'm certified, like everyone says). At what point in the application/offer/acceptance process should I tell the new job I'm applying to the FAA? I could get an FOL in two months, I could go Tier 2 and it'll be two years from now if ever.
Will I have any warning as to when my employers will be contacted?

When you have FOL in hand and a report date. Until then nothing is guaranteed.

Last hurdle left for me is the drug test and physical on Tuesday, and I guess we just wait for the FOL? BTW does anyone know if you can be tier II'ed for anything other than your MMPI?

Tier 2'd? No. Can your package get held up for reasons other than tier 2? Absolutely. Any problems found on the background check or physical will add delays
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