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Itsallgucci

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Mind sharing your list?



I like to think I'm at least not dumb haha. I think we will be good as long as we put in some hours studying after class. I'm ready to get there, that's for sure.
Hey, I'm not dumb too!
Yeah I'm planning on staying close to the rest of the classmates, so far I haven't seen that many of us for sept 3
 

NN9419

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Yes echoing the advise from others, whatever you do, don’t let the feeling of being overwhelmed at the academy get to you. The program is designed to be a mental/emotional/academic roller coaster and see how you respond to the pressure and prioritize getting each given task accomplished.

Basics is ‘easy’ in the sense that it’s just straight book work and memorizing definitions and whatnot. That being said, it’s challenging in the fact that they throw so much information at you and on the end of course test, you could be asked to answer questions on any minor fact they threw at you over a 5 week period. Also, the final test is definitely more challenging than the block tests or ELTs. Most people are going to need to study pretty hard at the end. Don’t risk getting close to that 70% cliff.

Your first week of initial qualification is a culture shock coming from Basics. You’re going to be hit with a ton of information all at once, and your instructors are going to dive right into things. The majority of people feel like they have no clue what the hell is going on at first, but again, this is how they have it set up. We had one guy in our class quit on day 2 just because he was overwhelmed. Don’t be this guy. As time goes by, things slowly start coming together and making more sense; until they throw something new into the mix and you feel like you don’t know anything again, then the cycle repeats.

#1 piece of advice though, don’t quit because you feel overwhelmed. It happens to everybody, and again, it’s a roller coaster ride. Plus, the government is paying you a salary, they’re providing you with free lodging, paying for your food, and giving you great health insurance while you’re in the academy. At the very least, you’ve got nothing to lose by sticking it out for 4 months. DONT QUIT!
 

tunwno

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Yes echoing the advise from others, whatever you do, don’t let the feeling of being overwhelmed at the academy get to you. The program is designed to be a mental/emotional/academic roller coaster and see how you respond to the pressure and prioritize getting each given task accomplished.

Basics is ‘easy’ in the sense that it’s just straight book work and memorizing definitions and whatnot. That being said, it’s challenging in the fact that they throw so much information at you and on the end of course test, you could be asked to answer questions on any minor fact they threw at you over a 5 week period. Also, the final test is definitely more challenging than the block tests or ELTs. Most people are going to need to study pretty hard at the end. Don’t risk getting close to that 70% cliff.

Your first week of initial qualification is a culture shock coming from Basics. You’re going to be hit with a ton of information all at once, and your instructors are going to dive right into things. The majority of people feel like they have no clue what the hell is going on at first, but again, this is how they have it set up. We had one guy in our class quit on day 2 just because he was overwhelmed. Don’t be this guy. As time goes by, things slowly start coming together and making more sense; until they throw something new into the mix and you feel like you don’t know anything again, then the cycle repeats.

#1 piece of advice though, don’t quit because you feel overwhelmed. It happens to everybody, and again, it’s a roller coaster ride. Plus, the government is paying you a salary, they’re providing you with free lodging, paying for your food, and giving you great health insurance while you’re in the academy. At the very least, you’ve got nothing to lose by sticking it out for 4 months. DONT QUIT!
Seems like that one guy who’s playing videos games online, and is losing by c amount of points and feels like he can’t catch up to win. Seems terrible IMO.
 

Itsallgucci

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Yes echoing the advise from others, whatever you do, don’t let the feeling of being overwhelmed at the academy get to you. The program is designed to be a mental/emotional/academic roller coaster and see how you respond to the pressure and prioritize getting each given task accomplished.

Basics is ‘easy’ in the sense that it’s just straight book work and memorizing definitions and whatnot. That being said, it’s challenging in the fact that they throw so much information at you and on the end of course test, you could be asked to answer questions on any minor fact they threw at you over a 5 week period. Also, the final test is definitely more challenging than the block tests or ELTs. Most people are going to need to study pretty hard at the end. Don’t risk getting close to that 70% cliff.

Your first week of initial qualification is a culture shock coming from Basics. You’re going to be hit with a ton of information all at once, and your instructors are going to dive right into things. The majority of people feel like they have no clue what the hell is going on at first, but again, this is how they have it set up. We had one guy in our class quit on day 2 just because he was overwhelmed. Don’t be this guy. As time goes by, things slowly start coming together and making more sense; until they throw something new into the mix and you feel like you don’t know anything again, then the cycle repeats.

#1 piece of advice though, don’t quit because you feel overwhelmed. It happens to everybody, and again, it’s a roller coaster ride. Plus, the government is paying you a salary, they’re providing you with free lodging, paying for your food, and giving you great health insurance while you’re in the academy. At the very least, you’ve got nothing to lose by sticking it out for 4 months. DONT QUIT!
I told StealthChain this before, but i'm almost 30 with a wife and kid. I can't quit lol. Besides, i'm not a fresh-outta-college party animal. I got mouths to feed.

Thank you guys for the feedback, it helps to know what i'm getting into.
 

tunwno

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I told StealthChain this before, but i'm almost 30 with a wife and kid. I can't quit lol. Besides, i'm not a fresh-outta-college party animal. I got mouths to feed.

Thank you guys for the feedback, it helps to know what i'm getting into.
Quitting is not a option in my book either. I’m trying to better my life not stay stagnant where I’m at today. The day I set foot in OKC, I’m there to put in some work.
 

BAS92

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If I could give you guys any advice, it would be to get the phraseology DOWN. Repetition, repetition, repetition. You can’t be fumbling on how to spit out a point out, manual handoff, emergency steps, etc. I’m a more visual learner, so non radar was more difficult for me, but I did enough to survive to give myself a good chance going into radar.

Know the SOP’s, LOA’s, and airspace without question. It’ll give you a small, small taste of what they’ll be like at your facility lol.

Most importantly, find a way to relax. Mine was chewing gum during the problems for some reason. Just find a way to get over those first 5 min jitters and get in a groove. If you prepare yourself right, you can go into evals, rock the problems, and land an awesome career. I’m a year out of the academy, and I couldn’t be happier with this. Ya training sucks and you feel like a idiot learning, but I absolutely could not picture myself doing anything other than this.

Put in the work and you all will do just fine.
 

StealthChain

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If I could give you guys any advice, it would be to get the phraseology DOWN. Repetition, repetition, repetition. You can’t be fumbling on how to spit out a point out, manual handoff, emergency steps, etc. I’m a more visual learner, so non radar was more difficult for me, but I did enough to survive to give myself a good chance going into radar.

Know the SOP’s, LOA’s, and airspace without question. It’ll give you a small, small taste of what they’ll be like at your facility lol.

Most importantly, find a way to relax. Mine was chewing gum during the problems for some reason. Just find a way to get over those first 5 min jitters and get in a groove. If you prepare yourself right, you can go into evals, rock the problems, and land an awesome career. I’m a year out of the academy, and I couldn’t be happier with this. Ya training sucks and you feel like a idiot learning, but I absolutely could not picture myself doing anything other than this.

Put in the work and you all will do just fine.
I remember us being in the same bid and everything haha. Are you developmental yet in Chicago?
 

Itsallgucci

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I am loving the words of encouragement, I really hope we have a positive, knowledge-hungry group of guys and gals.
 

SavannahATC

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If I could give you guys any advice, it would be to get the phraseology DOWN. Repetition, repetition, repetition. You can’t be fumbling on how to spit out a point out, manual handoff, emergency steps, etc. I’m a more visual learner, so non radar was more difficult for me, but I did enough to survive to give myself a good chance going into radar.

Know the SOP’s, LOA’s, and airspace without question. It’ll give you a small, small taste of what they’ll be like at your facility lol.

Most importantly, find a way to relax. Mine was chewing gum during the problems for some reason. Just find a way to get over those first 5 min jitters and get in a groove. If you prepare yourself right, you can go into evals, rock the problems, and land an awesome career. I’m a year out of the academy, and I couldn’t be happier with this. Ya training sucks and you feel like a idiot learning, but I absolutely could not picture myself doing anything other than this.

Put in the work and you all will do just fine.
Do you or does any one know wher eI can get a list of phraseology that I need to memorize? Want to get a head start on studying before I go to okc.
 

BAS92

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Do you or does any one know wher eI can get a list of phraseology that I need to memorize? Want to get a head start on studying before I go to okc.
They’ll give it to you when you go across the street. I wouldn’t worry about doing anything ahead of time. I’d stick to the schedule they give you for everything. It’s laid out in a specific way for a reason.
 

NN9419

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Do you or does any one know wher eI can get a list of phraseology that I need to memorize? Want to get a head start on studying before I go to okc.
I definitely would not recommend trying to get jump start on anything for Initial Qualifications before getting there. They make changes to the map along with bits and pieces of the material every 90 days specifically to avoid people being able to know everything ahead of time. The FAA wants to see if you can learn the material on their terms and on their timeframe.
 

MatthewMateo

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That is definitely not true.
Yeah, I know it’s not the FAA, but the Navy... I’m sure there’s not a huge difference in how the courses are designed... but you’re not “changing” the course, but constantly evaluating the course, short term and long term, ensuring that the test questions are too easy or too difficult. Instructors that are a little lazier end up just teaching the test.
 

NN9419

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That is definitely not true.
That’s 100% true. Our lead confirmed it in class just other day. The map on the wall has the year and the version posted in the corner. Not saying they completely redo it or anything, they may just change one or two minor things like an MEA or a radial or something, but there’s definitely some type of amendment every few months.
 

MJ

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That’s 100% true. Our lead confirmed it in class just other day.
They may have said it, but it doesn't mean its true. The last three revisions for terminal: 3/2019, 3/2017, 9/2014. The courses get updated to reflect new material but they don't change meaningfully.
 
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