April (Q2) 2019

DowntownTG

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Not without seeing the managers ranking list. The only people who have direct access to it are ATM's who's facility can pick up at least one person via ERR during that NCEPT panel.

You can always try and get the information second hand from the ATM at the facility you're interested in. Or you can try the facrep at the facility you're interested in if the ATM will share that information with them (which is fairly common). Or if you're buddy buddy with your own ATM and your facility can pick someone up. Or if your own facrep is buddy buddy with your own ATM, they can perhaps find out for you as well if your facility can pick someone up, giving your ATM access to all the managers ranking lists.
 

Dominipino

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Thanks! If I can’t contain myself till the 17th I’ll ask around haha...appreciate it.
 

JTS97Z28

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Say a facility can gain 2 people and there are 5 people with ERRs to it. How do they decide who gets it? Losing facilities I’m sure have a big part of that as well, but wondering what else goes into it.
 

Stinger

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Say a facility can gain 2 people and there are 5 people with ERRs to it. How do they decide who gets it? Losing facilities I’m sure have a big part of that as well, but wondering what else goes into it.
If all 5 can be released, the ATM ranking list is the deciding factor. Would be whoever is ranked 1 and 2.
If not all 5 can be released, it comes down to which ones out of the original 5 can still be released when it's the receiving facility's turn to pick.
 

JTS97Z28

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Just got back from a week off and looked at my two facilities. What does all this mean for me?
Leaving a Cat 2 facility priority in the 70s , 1 gain, 7 losses. ERR to a Cat 2 facility in the 40s with 1 gain and 12 losses. And fwiw it’s TMC to TMC 🤷🏼‍♂️
 

Foogy

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Just got back from a week off and looked at my two facilities. What does all this mean for me?
Leaving a Cat 2 facility priority in the 70s , 1 gain, 7 losses. ERR to a Cat 2 facility in the 40s with 1 gain and 12 losses. And fwiw it’s TMC to TMC 🤷🏼‍♂️
It means you can expect 60+ minutes delays due to volume, also there may or may not be CFR to LAX, but SAN is definitely IDAC available. The EDCT for SKW3558 has them pretty salty, so they want your number and I gave it to them, no worries though cause their rolling right now sooo my bad, I swear flow just printed out and the stripmarking was wrong.

I'm fairly sure TMC is outside NCEPT as well.
 

JTS97Z28

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Well, NCEPT doesn't look at TMCs or any other group outside the controller workforce, so I hope you're not counting on being selected through NCEPT.
Well then that’s news to me. I was told by both contacts for ERR southern region HR and Taurice Mcmillan that TMC to TMC is doable. And besides that I know someone who personally did a TMC to TMC ERR. So are you positive about your information?
 

Stinger

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Well then that’s news to me. I was told by both contacts for ERR southern region HR and Taurice Mcmillan that TMC to TMC is doable. And besides that I know someone who personally did a TMC to TMC ERR. So are you positive about your information?
ERRs are possible for just about everything. FLM->FLM, TMC->TMC, TMC->FLM, etc...however, they don't (didn't) get ran through the NCEPT periodic meetings.

Going back into the NCEPT meeting minutes, they've been talking about including Flight Service CPCs into NCEPT, but it's always just "continuing talks." June of 2018 was the first Support Specialists selected into a CPC position. I haven't seen any mention of TMCs being included, but if Taurice told you that they'll look at them I'll believe it. After selections are out, report back and let us know!
 

JTS97Z28

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Glad I followed up....like you guys said TMCs aren’t included in this process. They apologized for giving me false information and said I basically deal directly with the ATM.
Oh well 🤷🏼‍♂️ Thanks for all the information here guys and good luck!
 

Jeffrog97

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Any idea what Category None means? Will the facility still be able to pick up people during the ERR process if they have "possible gains" of 2?
 

CK

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Any idea what Category None means? Will the facility still be able to pick up people during the ERR process if they have "possible gains" of 2?
Cat none means they can not release people, they can receive. Cat 2 is 6 months to 12 months release window. Cat 1 is 1 month to 3 month, employee can request to extend it out to 6 months. The cats are for outgoing, not incoming. The fun stats of national averages and projections with facility staffing and projected is how they calculate how many if any a facility can take in.
 

Move78

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Cat none means they can not release people, they can receive. Cat 2 is 6 months to 12 months release window. Cat 1 is 1 month to 3 month, employee can request to extend it out to 6 months. The cats are for outgoing, not incoming. The fun stats of national averages and projections with facility staffing and projected is how they calculate how many if any a facility can take in.
Cat 2 is at or before 12 months.
Cat 1 is at or before 3 months and can be extended up to 6 by the controller.
 

DL0509

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Am I correct in thinking that if a facility certifies a few people after the last facility list was updated and that puts them AOA 100% said facility will no longer be able to pick up anyone.
 

rhombus

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Am I correct in thinking that if a facility certifies a few people after the last facility list was updated and that puts them AOA 100% said facility will no longer be able to pick up anyone.
That is incorrect. Once the numbers are frozen those are the numbers used for the panel. If a facility is eligible to select zero and the day after the numbers freeze all 15 CPC's quit, they are still eligible to select zero.
 

Breaker81

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Ha, I think we all know she isn’t getting fired. Not the FAA way these days. Just keep recycling and hope a facility sticks. Unfortunately they don’t always take into consideration whether a person can do the job in general. When people constantly put two planes together, on the ground or in the air, they have no business in this career.
You need to look at the bigger picture. There is just as much an obligation to staff facilities with trainees as there are with known people who will qualify. Otherwise it would be a guaranteed staffing crisis in the form of facilities going atc zero. A low percentage of maybe’s opposed to none is not acceptable.
 

Uscolt45

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You need to look at the bigger picture. There is just as much an obligation to staff facilities with trainees as there are with known people who will qualify. Otherwise it would be a guaranteed staffing crisis in the form of facilities going atc zero. A low percentage of maybe’s opposed to none is not acceptable.
The bigger picture shows me with a 8 month training program they could have gotten 6 people certified and thus been better staffed.
 
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