Serious ARTCC Consolidations

[inthrewtheoutdor]

Not everyone wants to have a big house on an acre of land in the middle of nowhere.

Believe it or not people do appreciate the busier metro areas. Having an actual neighborhood, socializing with neighbors. Having a busier downtown with great food, entertainment, shows, venues, nightlife, etc

 

[Phanatical]

Not everyone wants to have a big house on an acre of land in the middle of nowhere.

Believe it or not people do appreciate the busier metro areas. Having an actual neighborhood, socializing with neighbors. Having a busier downtown with great food, entertainment, shows, venues, nightlife, etc

Look man, I hear you.

But have you been to Cape Girardeau in the summer?

 

[Raise when?]

Yes let’s make one big super center so someone can bomb it to hell and the NAS will be ATC zero for a year

Why is the govnt so obsessed with pinching Pennies in the FAA when they send hundreds of billions to the military industrial complex, Israel, and Ukraine quarterly anyways lol. They’ll just print more money anyways, who cares

 

[32andBelow]

Yes let’s make one big super center so someone can bomb it to hell and the NAS will be ATC zero for a year

Still won’t get hazard pay. Could you imagine driving through the gate at this place. Or how big the break room would be. You’d need like 100 x boxes at least.

 

[Billybob]

Build a supercenter in Bumfuck Iowa consolidating every Z. Build an entire town around it with affordable housing for controllers and like 27 bars. 1 cop for the whole town. Watch the hilarity ensue.

 

[32andBelow]

Build a supercenter in Bumfuck Iowa consolidating every Z. Build an entire town around it with affordable housing for controllers and like 27 bars. 1 cop for the whole town. Watch the hilarity ensue.

If you made all the roads private then you could legally drive drunk.

 

[Move78]

If you made all the roads private then you could legally drive drunk.

Mf lives out west and it shows

 

[32andBelow]

Mf lives out west and it shows

I don’t know what that means and at this point I’m too afraid to ask

 

[ManBearPig]

If you made all the roads private then you could legally drive drunk.

If you don't wear a seat belt, drinking is already legal on 2 lane roads. If the road is gravel the speed limit also does not apply.

 

[Wizard]

Yes let’s make one big super center so someone can bomb it to hell and the NAS will be ATC zero for a year

Do you live under a rock? Countries have had the capability to completely cripple our country for a while now. No need to kill people.

 

[GulfCharlie]

Build a supercenter in Bumfuck Iowa consolidating every Z. Build an entire town around it with affordable housing for controllers and like 27 bars. 1 cop for the whole town. Watch the hilarity ensue.

This seems like ground zero for how the purge starts lol.

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

Purely a thought/daydream experiment:

Seems like the OPM differentiates PCS money from Relocation Incentives Payment, so both could technically be possible in a hypothetical super-center consolidation. If you were suddenly offered a 100% basic pay incentive payment, plus PCS move money, plus some other "sweetener" (ie. severely reduced or even a 0% mortgage interest rate): where wouldn't you be willing to move in the CONUS? I can think of some areas/regions, but not many.

 

[GroundClutter]

Purely a thought/daydream experiment:

Seems like the OPM differentiates PCS money from Relocation Incentives Payment, so both could technically be possible in a hypothetical super-center consolidation. If you were suddenly offered a 100% basic pay incentive payment, plus PCS move money, plus some other "sweetener" (ie. severely reduced or even a 0% mortgage interest rate): where wouldn't you be willing to move in the CONUS? I can think of some areas/regions, but not many.

You give me everything you just listed including the mortgage rate reduction and there are ZERO places I wouldn't go.

 

[Raise when?]

Do you live under a rock? Countries have had the capability to completely cripple our country for a while now. No need to kill people.

evidently. regardless, i think having more centers seems safer than 1 or a few. after the chicago fire, the FAA seemed to ramp up their contingency plans for when facilities go atc zero more effectively

 

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evidently. regardless, i think having more centers seems safer than 1 or a few. after the chicago fire, the FAA seemed to ramp up their contingency plans for when facilities go atc zero more effectively

I think Covid showed that was empirically false unfortunately.

 

[Raise when?]

I think Covid showed that was empirically false unfortunately.

You think? From my perhaps narrow perspective there seemed to be no major hiccups. I think most facilities had fuck all before the fire incident.

 

[32andBelow]

It worked so well when they consolidated all the fss to a couple places. There’s actually a lot of value having the local and em frequent operators be able to talk to and meet with the local atc and work out things that come up.

 

[RadarRick]

Problem is the FAA had facilities update their contingency plans, so they did the most half assed version of it imagineable with no plan or training.

Now instead of there being no idea what to do, they have these dumbass contingency plans that say centers will just take over the next sector into their neighbor if they go down. There’s no plan beyond that, no idea of even semi training beyond that, just Hey Denver you’re gonna take the next sector into ZMP it’ll be fine. Contingency plan done!

 

[CaptainObvious]

Problem is the FAA had facilities update their contingency plans, so they did the most half assed version of it imagineable with no plan or training.

Now instead of there being no idea what to do, they have these dumbass contingency plans that say centers will just take over the next sector into their neighbor if they go down. There’s no plan beyond that, no idea of even semi training beyond that, just Hey Denver you’re gonna take the next sector into ZMP it’ll be fine. Contingency plan done!

It’s amazing isn’t it? Working an airspace you’re not certified on and know nothing about

 

[Raise when?]

Problem is the FAA had facilities update their contingency plans, so they did the most half assed version of it imagineable with no plan or training.

Now instead of there being no idea what to do, they have these dumbass contingency plans that say centers will just take over the next sector into their neighbor if they go down. There’s no plan beyond that, no idea of even semi training beyond that, just Hey Denver you’re gonna take the next sector into ZMP it’ll be fine. Contingency plan done!

Yes I agree, the training is nonexistent. My area has had to take over several approach controls that went ATC zero in the past couple years and haven’t even had a refresher training or anything. Some of the airspace doesn’t even underly ours so we’re totally scrambling with freq’s and who to call even.

But we made it work without a disaster so in the FAA’s mind everything is Fine.