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brsana

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Haha I was getting less than 50% on math and 70s, maybe 80s on collisions. Still got me BQ
😌 phew...what a relief lol im getting 95%+ on collision but the math gets me, im doing 60-70. It was making me wonder what in the world the actual test is going to be like and what kind of quick thinking geniuses im up against :)
 
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Easybreezybeautiful

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As far as the prep goes, yall were saying the the max difficulty is still no where near what the actual test is like...is this the setting i should be using? also for the ones who have already passed the atsa and used the prep, were you getting 100% on the math and collision part of the prep?
I felt like it was mostly pretty accurate. The math w/ collisions section is a little harder on the test.
The single best thing I can recommend is on the section where you hit true/false for left/right with the planes, make sure to turn off the bit where it shows if you got it right or wrong in between. This section also feels much faster on the actual test.
 

brsana

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I felt like it was mostly pretty accurate. The math w/ collisions section is a little harder on the test.
The single best thing I can recommend is on the section where you hit true/false for left/right with the planes, make sure to turn off the bit where it shows if you got it right or wrong in between. This section also feels much faster on the actual test.
Thanks! also, im currently watching videos on youtube and practicing LSAT questions, my logical reasoning skills i dont think are up to par right now....how much of the test is that last part? big chunk?
 
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Easybreezybeautiful

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Thanks! also, im currently watching videos on youtube and practicing LSAT questions, my logical reasoning skills i dont think are up to par right now....how much of the test is that last part? big chunk?
There aren’t very many. But by that point in the test your supposed to be mentally exhausted, and the time restriction is doable, but nontrivial. Personally I’ve always done well on those questions, but I remember not being able to double-check/be confident in them just because I was kinda tired at that point. I got my TOL, so it worked out, but I could’ve been better prepared for that.
 

brsana

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There aren’t very many. But by that point in the test your supposed to be mentally exhausted, and the time restriction is doable, but nontrivial. Personally I’ve always done well on those questions, but I remember not being able to double-check/be confident in them just because I was kinda tired at that point. I got my TOL, so it worked out, but I could’ve been better prepared for that.
Awesome, congrats. Good luck on your journey hopefully ill be following in your footsteps :) 🤞
 

Chris93C

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The logical reasoning part is probably only 20 minutes if I remember correctly but there is not that much time to answer the questions. The questions are long and require a lot of reading. I ended up guessing like the last 5 because I was out of time. I think someone said you have a little over 1 minute to answer each question.
 

Dingalings69

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Took my test today, got wrecked on the reading and logic portions due to time. Did pretty alright on the other parts

Test crashed twice after the difference and variable games. Had to redo it and it crashed again then the proctors called up someone who fixed it. Shit was making me dizzy after a while
 

zedex

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Felt better walking in than I did walking out. My comparison of ATCPrep and the ATSA:

Differences: Easier but also harder on the ATSA only because I was so used to ATCPrep breaking up the numbers with a prompt. Slipped up on the last round for a few numbers, it felt like the test was never ending. 1-9 only/V.Fast, never answered over 4. If that plastic guide they put on the keyboard bothers you like it did me, put it to the side (not under the monitor so you don't accidentally power off the monitor and freak out like I did). Scored 100% on ATCPrep, probably got 95% on the ATSA. Without the pacing from ATCPrep, I was going faster than my brain could keep up. If you're using 1-20 on ATCPrep for this and equations, you're only hurting yourself.

Equations: Similar but easier on the ATSA. 1-9/Fast until you get to the 2 equation stage where it drops to 1-4 only. Went from scoring 97.5% ATCPrep to missing one or two on the ATSA for no good reason.

Visual: Felt more confident on ATCPrep than I should have. V.Fast/random close to real thing, maybe a bit faster on ATSA. Went from 100% ATCPrep to maybe 80-90% on ATSA. That eyeball they use on the ATSA is too inconspicuous. Mix it up with ATCPro for sure.

Collisions:
  • At settings of V.high/V.fast/difficult/fast it felt close to the real thing. The ATSA gradually increases the difficulty, going from two slow dots to all nine coming out at the same time immediately crashing. The last few tasks were more difficult than what ATCPrep offers. Completely ignore the math once you get more than 5 dots on the screen. On the preps I was scoring 85% totals (math included) towards the end, broken down: 100% conflict, 45% response, 100% conflict-free, 90% efficiency. I had about 5 collisions on the ATSA and my efficiency went to shit, 50% maybe. ATCPro would probably be more helpful if you can use a keyboard.
  • The math is absolutely more difficult, I went from 80% on ATCPrep to what felt like 10-20% confidently answered equations. The equations flash for two seconds and then disappear, allowing you to answer until the next question pops up. I believe I answered right as the next question showed way too many times.

My advice? Don't overdo it with ATCPrep. One of each scenario a day MAX, probably skip every other day. Once you start seeing the patterns take a break and try to forget them.

For logic and reading comp, don't bother with LSAT. The examples I found online were much more intense than the ATSA. I don't think cram sessions would help at all.

As for the personality quiz, be as honest as you can be. I felt like I was forced into lying to myself by the end of it even though I answered 100% honestly and accurately throughout. Had to keep telling myself it's just a ranking of the statements, not true/false statements.

Overall, I feel pretty good about it, mostly because of comments I've read about doing poorly and still getting BQ. I will update once we hear back.
 
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sean82206

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Felt better walking in than I did walking out. My comparison of ATCPrep and the ATSA:

Differences: Easier but also harder on the ATSA only because I was so used to ATCPrep breaking up the numbers with a prompt. Slipped up on the last round for a few numbers, it felt like the test was never ending. 1-9 only/V.Fast, never answered over 4. If that plastic guide they put on the keyboard bothers you like it did me, put it to the side (not under the monitor so you don't accidentally power off the monitor and freak out like I did). Scored 100% on ATCPrep, probably got 95% on the ATSA. Without the pacing from ATCPrep, I was going faster than my brain could keep up. If you're using 1-20 on ATCPrep for this and equations, you're only hurting yourself.

Equations: Similar but easier on the ATSA. 1-9/Fast until you get to the 2 equation stage where it drops to 1-4 only. Went from scoring 97.5% ATCPrep to missing one or two on the ATSA for no good reason.

Visual: Felt more confident on ATCPrep than I should have. V.Fast/random close to real thing, maybe a bit faster on ATSA. Went from 100% ATCPrep to maybe 80-90% on ATSA. That eyeball they use on the ATSA is too inconspicuous. Mix it up with ATCPro for sure.

Collisions:
  • At settings of V.high/V.fast/difficult/fast it felt close to the real thing. The ATSA gradually increases the difficulty, going from two slow dots to all nine coming out at the same time immediately crashing. The last few tasks were more difficult than what ATCPrep offers. Completely ignore the math once you get more than 5 dots on the screen. On the preps I was scoring 85% totals (math included) towards the end, broken down: 100% conflict, 45% response, 100% conflict-free, 90% efficiency. I had about 5 collisions on the ATSA and my efficiency went to shit, 50% maybe. ATCPro would probably be more helpful if you can use a keyboard.
  • The math is absolutely more difficult, I went from 80% on ATCPrep to what felt like 10-20% confidently answered equations. The equations flash for two seconds and then disappear, allowing you to answer until the next question pops up. I believe I answered right as the next question showed way too many times.

My advice? Don't overdo it with ATCPrep. One of each scenario a day MAX, probably skip every other day. Once you start seeing the patterns take a break and try to forget them.

For logic and reading comp, don't bother with LSAT. The examples I found online were much more intense than the ATSA. I don't think cram sessions would help at all.

As for the personality quiz, be as honest as you can be. I felt like I was forced into lying to myself by the end of it even though I answered 100% honestly and accurately throughout. Had to keep telling myself it's just a ranking of the statements, not true/false statements.

Overall, I feel pretty good about it, mostly because of comments I've read about doing poorly and still getting BQ. I will update once we hear back.
I completely and 100% back you on this! I was frustrated with the guides for the keyboard. I took mine off as well and just placed them to the side. You can get very close to the ATSA with ATCPrep but I also recommend not memorizing the patterns and only practicing once a week, max of 3-4 times per week so you don't pick up on the mannerisms of ATCPrep and get flustered with the ATSA.

LSAT questions are must more difficult than the ATSA. They're short, you just have to be good at time management and looking at facts; you can easily eliminate 2-3 answers if you read the statements properly. I took about 1 minute per question and was perfectly fine on time, and I'd like to think I was pretty accurate on these questions.

I also highly recommend any games that can help you improve your reaction times, as that's what got me a few times. It probably didn't help me to take a morning test because I'm a night shifter, even though I didn't work the night before the test.
 

unoriginalone

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I agree with the keyboard guide, it just got in the way for me.
For the personality test my take was the answers you choose don't matter.
What they seem to be looking for is consistency.
 

Mm07

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Can someone help me out? I took my test this morning and the PSI proctor made me do the reading and personality test first. Then after she told me I was done with the test (apparently this happened to another person and they didn’t fight her on it and just walked away without doing the other part). I said I’ve taken this before and know there’s another part. Took the math and collisions part second. Does this matter what part you take first? PSI proctor told me as long as I take both parts it does not matter, but how are they going to link my tests up? By my name? She didn’t seem too concerned with the aviator ID’s not matching. I only ask because I thought I did really well and would hate to have to take it again
 

kshaky

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Can someone help me out? I took my test this morning and the PSI proctor made me do the reading and personality test first. Then after she told me I was done with the test (apparently this happened to another person and they didn’t fight her on it and just walked away without doing the other part). I said I’ve taken this before and know there’s another part. Took the math and collisions part second. Does this matter what part you take first? PSI proctor told me as long as I take both parts it does not matter, but how are they going to link my tests up? By my name? She didn’t seem too concerned with the aviator ID’s not matching. I only ask because I thought I did really well and would hate to have to take it again
Did you call PSI?
 

Zeeshan

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Anyone using JobTestPrep? For the collision problem, it seems like ATC-prep problems are not that hard as compared to problems on JobTestPrep. Anyone that has used both programs can tell which one is closest to the real test ( in term of speed of the dots colliding).
 

GodHelpMe

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What strats do yall use when it comes to variables? The first section of the test isn't difficult but the second round where you have to memorize the value of the variable and solve the problem is ehh. Any advice?
 

denver0739

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What strats do yall use when it comes to variables? The first section of the test isn't difficult but the second round where you have to memorize the value of the variable and solve the problem is ehh. Any advice?
Honestly, I just repeated the numbers in my head as many times as I could before the next one came up. Then when it did I would repeat both of them in my head as many times as I could until the next. Then hopefully I did a good enough job remembering. In the end, practice will help, keep practicing and trying different things to help it stick.
 

Mm07

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Anyone using JobTestPrep? For the collision problem, it seems like ATC-prep problems are not that hard as compared to problems on JobTestPrep. Anyone that has used both programs can tell which one is closest to the real test ( in term of speed of the dots colliding).
I have only used JobTestPrep and have taken the test already. I believe if you practice using their highest setting it would be beneficial. I think the test is like the medium setting but if you get used to the fastest setting the test won't seem bad at all. I would not pay attention to the scores though that they give. I was messing up pretty much on each problem and on the actual test I had a total of 4 collisions for both the part without math and with math. I think JobTestPrep is worth the $80
 

Zeeshan

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I have only used JobTestPrep and have taken the test already. I believe if you practice using their highest setting it would be beneficial. I think the test is like the medium setting but if you get used to the fastest setting the test won't seem bad at all. I would not pay attention to the scores though that they give. I was messing up pretty much on each problem and on the actual test I had a total of 4 collisions for both the part without math and with math. I think JobTestPrep is worth the $80
That's good to know. I am taking my exam on June 1st. hope we both get TOL's.
 

Mjamreynolds

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Anyone with input on the “Differences” section? Is it timed or do the sets contain specific amounts of numbers and then you proceed at your own speed? I could get going pretty fast but, obviously, at some point you hit a wall with that and I’m not sure if answering faster is beneficial for scoring.
However, if there are infinite numbers with a time constraint then answering more (correctly) makes any errors less significant.
 
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