August (Q4) 2023

[doodii]

Direct to hire should be in place over NCEPT. I know hiring competent managers is a long shot across the board, but I don’t understand how your current manager and another manager cannot cohesively discuss a legitimate transfer of an employee.

Use the PPT the same way with the % staffing, but weigh projected a little bit more. If DEV1 is up for certification and we’re four weeks into NCEPT, that DEV1 gets certified and doesn’t count towards manning, allowing CPC to transfer.

My take: Jim Bob Dicklesworth wants to go from shithole FTW to shithole ORF, has 5+ years experience as CPC, types up an application, applies…it should be up to the managers to both go “okay releasing is above 85%, so we can release and gaining is below 100%, I’ll stamp it and send it away in encrypted email.” Gaining manager gets it, and it’s approved. Both approvals get sent to HR and it’s handled appropriately within two to three pay periods, but no more than 10 pay periods (if requested by employee).

This way, the Union’s micropenis isn’t in it and it’s handled by the actual agency you’re employed by.

Maybe this is how it used to be handled, idk, because I wasn’t around for the era of tucked-in shirts and khakis.

However, this is how it *should* be handled. The Union should just be there to make sure the process isn’t fucked up by the agency.

 

[CaptainObvious]

whats wrong with that? Z's get academy grads.

And some would argue they’re better prepared, at least slightly more so than the dude that was either direct hire or passed tower only

 

[HurryUpandWait]

Direct to hire should be in place over NCEPT. I know hiring competent managers is a long shot across the board, but I don’t understand how your current manager and another manager cannot cohesively discuss a legitimate transfer of an employee.

Use the PPT the same way with the % staffing, but weigh projected a little bit more. If DEV1 is up for certification and we’re four weeks into NCEPT, that DEV1 gets certified and doesn’t count towards manning, allowing CPC to transfer.

My take: Jim Bob Dicklesworth wants to go from shithole FTW to shithole ORF, has 5+ years experience as CPC, types up an application, applies…it should be up to the managers to both go “okay releasing is above 85%, so we can release and gaining is below 100%, I’ll stamp it and send it away in encrypted email.” Gaining manager gets it, and it’s approved. Both approvals get sent to HR and it’s handled appropriately within two to three pay periods, but no more than 10 pay periods (if requested by employee).

This way, the Union’s micropenis isn’t in it and it’s handled by the actual agency you’re employed by.

Maybe this is how it used to be handled, idk, because I wasn’t around for the era of tucked-in shirts and khakis.

However, this is how it *should* be handled. The Union should just be there to make sure the process isn’t fucked up by the agency.

Have you seen the agency handle anything else? They fuck up everything they put their hands on. Letting them have full responsibility over the transfer process means that there will be no transfers.

However, selecting only 88 for transfers is damn near close to no transfers 🤷‍♂️

 

[ChuckNovember]

Have you seen the agency handle anything else? They fuck up everything they put their hands on. Letting them have full responsibility over the transfer process means that there will be no transfers.

However, selecting only 88 for transfers is damn near close to no transfers 🤷‍♂️

It's no transfers for 40% of the workforce as is.

 

[HurryUpandWait]

It's no transfers for 40% of the workforce as is.

Yeah, pretty depressing. Still better than zero I guess.

 

[doodii]

Yeah, pretty depressing. Still better than zero I guess.

“Still better than zero” is the exact settling attitude that natca sees and rolls with because we can’t strike or do anything about it. NATCA has ruined the transfer process.

 

[Morgan_Freeman_But_Not]

You all do realize that without NATCA at the table there would literally be NO movement. None. I’m not saying the process/system is perfect — it’s far from it.

The agency doesn’t want to move us. They don’t give a shit whether we rot at GCN for 20 years or got the luck of the draw and direct hired to DFW. All they care about is perception where, based off the NYT article, is not the best right now…

 

[doodii]

You all do realize that without NATCA at the table there would literally be NO movement. None. I’m not saying the process/system is perfect — it’s far from it.

The agency doesn’t want to move us. They don’t give a shit whether we rot at GCN for 20 years or got the luck of the draw and direct hired to DFW. All they care about is perception where, based off the NYT article, is not the best right now…

We’re at zero movement compared to years past. So yes, NATCA has ruined the transfer process. NCEPT has run its course. It’s time for a new process.

 

[Morgan_Freeman_But_Not]

We’re at zero movement compared to years past. So yes, NATCA has ruined the transfer process. NCEPT has run its course. It’s time for a new process.

I don’t disagree there is definite room for a new process.

 

[Move78]

We’re at zero movement compared to years past. So yes, NATCA has ruined the transfer process. NCEPT has run its course. It’s time for a new process.

This is wildly untrue.

 

[ATC Zero]

You all do realize that without NATCA at the table there would literally be NO movement. None. I’m not saying the process/system is perfect — it’s far from it.

The agency doesn’t want to move us. They don’t give a shit whether we rot at GCN for 20 years or got the luck of the draw and direct hired to DFW. All they care about is perception where, based off the NYT article, is not the best right now…

That’s what NATCA wants everyone to believe. Before NCEPT they actually had paid moves for controllers, 5-15k was fairly common. Managers put the bids out for their facility and there was still movement under the old ERR process. NCEPT killed all of that unless it’s N90, C90 or any of the other big bids that still make USAJOBS.

 

[Soul_Controller]

Direct to hire should be in place over NCEPT. I know hiring competent managers is a long shot across the board, but I don’t understand how your current manager and another manager cannot cohesively discuss a legitimate transfer of an employee.

Use the PPT the same way with the % staffing, but weigh projected a little bit more. If DEV1 is up for certification and we’re four weeks into NCEPT, that DEV1 gets certified and doesn’t count towards manning, allowing CPC to transfer.

My take: Jim Bob Dicklesworth wants to go from shithole FTW to shithole ORF, has 5+ years experience as CPC, types up an application, applies…it should be up to the managers to both go “okay releasing is above 85%, so we can release and gaining is below 100%, I’ll stamp it and send it away in encrypted email.” Gaining manager gets it, and it’s approved. Both approvals get sent to HR and it’s handled appropriately within two to three pay periods, but no more than 10 pay periods (if requested by employee).

This way, the Union’s micropenis isn’t in it and it’s handled by the actual agency you’re employed by.

Maybe this is how it used to be handled, idk, because I wasn’t around for the era of tucked-in shirts and khakis.

However, this is how it *should* be handled. The Union should just be there to make sure the process isn’t fucked up by the agency.

What incentive does the releasing Atm have to let you go in the first place?

That’s what NATCA wants everyone to believe. Before NCEPT they actually had paid moves for controllers, 5-15k was fairly common. Managers put the bids out for their facility and there was still movement under the old ERR process. NCEPT killed all of that unless it’s N90, C90 or any of the other big bids that still make USAJOBS.

I'd argue that controllers themselves killed the original bid process. ERRs put all the cards in the FAAs hands and that's the way controllers went about moving. There should be more exceptions to the national release policy so NCEPT becomes less important to upward movement. Voluntary transfers as a way to move up has always been an untenable concept.

 

[Dolan]

You all do realize that without NATCA at the table there would literally be NO movement.

Yeah because supes don't have NATCA at the table and they can't move around at all huh?

Oh wait that's completely fucking wrong isn't it...

 

[kombucha23]

Yeah because supes don't have NATCA at the table and they can't move around at all huh?

Oh wait that's completely fucking wrong isn't it...

Supes bend their cracks over for the ability to move. Imagine how much harder it’ll be to let controllers go - even like pre-NCEPT. Two+ year release times based on manager whims and nepotism more than it even is now.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Supes bend their cracks over for the ability to move. Imagine how much harder it’ll be to let controllers go - even like pre-NCEPT. Two+ year release times based on manager whims and nepotism more than it even is now.

2+ is better than never.

 

[Move78]

Yeah because supes don't have NATCA at the table and they can't move around at all huh?

Oh wait that's completely fucking wrong isn't it...

He’s talking about BUEs. Supes aren’t BUEs and can move around freely.

 

[Jake Sully]

Yeah because supes don't have NATCA at the table and they can't move around at all huh?

Oh wait that's completely fucking wrong isn't it...

Supes are the agency. If you think they’d allow more movement without the union you’re misled. How many ATM at shitty up downs in bumblefuck, nowhere, hold their CAT 2 releases until the very last day. Or try to file extensions on ppl that NATCA shuts down. Thinking ATMs should be in charge of controller movement any more than they are is completely asinine

 

[CoffeeIV]

Supes are the agency. If you think they’d allow more movement without the union you’re misled. How many ATM at shitty up downs in bumblefuck, nowhere, hold their CAT 2 releases until the very last day. Or try to file extensions on ppl that NATCA shuts down. Thinking ATMs should be in charge of controller movement any more than they are is completely asinine

ATMs already trying to deny hardships when they're not contractually allowed to and get overruled by the region. I can only imagine if they were the end all be all for transfers.

 

[PointSixty5stalker]

Is it possible to not have your name on the list and have gotten picked up? We are writing a schedule for next year and was asked what date I was leaving. Not sure what was going on. OM was the one that told them and OM said because we had someone declining their ERR release in March that I was able to leave. ATM and FacRep both out today but VP said I was only one picked up. I didn’t have a hardship request in or anything. Maybe it’s some sick joke. We will see if I get my TOL next week. Just wondering if this has happened to anyone else.

 

[Phanatical]

Is it possible to not have your name on the list and have gotten picked up? We are writing a schedule for next year and was asked what date I was leaving. Not sure what was going on. OM was the one that told them and OM said because we had someone declining their ERR release in March that I was able to leave. ATM and FacRep both out today but VP said I was only one picked up. I didn’t have a hardship request in or anything. Maybe it’s some sick joke. We will see if I get my TOL next week. Just wondering if this has happened to anyone else.

Call your NCEPT rep.