Easiest facilities for every dollar/ hardest facilities for every dollar

ChuckNovember said:

My brother in christ we literally ran out of discrete codes yesterday and we're not even level 12s.

ZMA had a 10,000 operation day yesterday. Over 3700 active/proposal CIDs at one time

I’d like to know what basic math you’re doing when we had a 10,000 count day after an hours-long NAS-fucking groundstop. What center did you previously work at?

ChuckNovember said:

I’d like to know what basic math you’re doing when we had a 10,000 count day after an hours-long NAS-fucking groundstop. What center did you previously work at?

Memphis

# of ops ÷ # of CPCs

The busiest TRACONs vastly out work the busiest centers. Sorry you guys had a rough day though. Bet y'all still got a few touch and go's

woodfinx said:

Facility ID	Total Ops	Tower Ops	Radar Ops
A11	300827	0	300827
A80	1053016	0	1053016
A90	770713	0	770713
ABE	199038	86668	112370
ABI	112932	45795	67137
ABQ	323140	148439	174701
ACK	60750	60750	0
ACT	183100	83254	99846
ACY	145886	58794	87092
ADS	135422	135422	0
ADW	57594	57594	0
AFW	124867	124867	0
AGC	69053	69053	0
AGS	116444	41036	75408
ALB	152205	59415	92790
ALO	48920	25613	23307
AMA	105988	42926	63062
ANC	282507	282507	0
APA	300670	300670	0
APC	67155	67155	0
ARB	87129	87129	0
ARR	75875	75875	0
ASE	105031	50225	54806
ATL	724329	724329	0
AUS	689758	270762	418996
AVL	164601	79581	85020
AVP	110045	39863	70182
AZO	364184	53784	310400
BDL	82794	82794	0
BED	125565	125565	0
BFI	172924	172924	0
BFL	182292	91977	90315
BGM	39865	17013	22852
BGR	103814	43842	59972
BHM	273665	102371	171294
BIL	169031	95730	73301
BIS	57760	31434	26326
BJC	264357	264357	0
BNA	635543	264284	371259
BOI	368535	143544	224991
BOS	396393	396393	0
BPT	19088	19088	0
BTR	145216	63975	81241
BTV	195981	102660	93321
BUF	202898	67967	134931
BUR	191182	191182	0
BWI	227697	227697	0
C90	1070433	0	1070433
CAE	175218	69469	105749
CAK	50593	50593	0
CCR	112496	112496	0
CDW	139961	139961	0
CHA	197637	92075	105562
CHS	314705	124851	189854
CID	97857	43784	54073
CKB	67137	15041	52096
CLE	378414	106814	271600
CLT	1099900	502410	597490
CMA	199757	199757	0
CMH	442557	128578	313979
CMI	110286	55781	54505
CNO	214019	214019	0
COS	308049	158315	149734
CPR	56953	37150	19803
CPS	112121	112121	0
CRP	324849	81585	243264
CRQ	148627	148627	0
CRW	91684	43579	48105
CSG	38007	38007	0
CVG	386973	145785	241188
D01	892976	0	892976
D10	1276028	0	1276028
D21	437091	0	437091
DAB	619868	298218	321650
DAL	257391	257391	0
DAY	40488	40488	0
DCA	340625	340625	0
DEN	612246	612246	0
DFW	659055	659055	0
DLH	113696	62303	51393
DPA	119753	119753	0
DSM	179673	84263	95410
DTW	285472	285472	0
DVT	280719	280719	0
DWH	151494	151494	0
ELM	44554	15668	28886
ELP	238002	114848	123154
EMT	94922	94922	0
ERI	24699	24699	0
EUG	154862	61308	93554
EVV	100561	40297	60264
EWR	500175	500175	0
F11	684919	0	684919
FAI	201531	114213	87318
FAR	172108	88558	83550
FAT	215604	89218	126386
FAY	145996	35484	110512
FCM	122848	122848	0
FFZ	343237	343237	0
FLL	300723	300723	0
FLO	78893	29966	48927
FNT	48672	48672	0
FPR	143690	143690	0
FRG	249730	249730	0
FSD	149384	74401	74983
FSM	165341	24537	140804
FTW	190380	190380	0
FWA	122003	42650	79353
FXE	186859	186859	0
GCN	59556	59556	0
GEG	235765	79165	156600
GFK	301944	301944	0
GGG	163944	77952	85992
GPT	143956	58374	85582
GRB	114725	36323	78402
GRR	74811	74811	0
GSO	246335	91483	154852
GSP	206775	53502	153273
GTF	64207	35873	28334
HEF	109200	109200	0
HIO	162794	162794	0
HLN	54423	44004	10419
HNL	310915	310915	0
HOU	208282	208282	0
HPN	167912	167912	0
HSV	175610	64592	111018
HTS	49322	12075	37247
HUF	126625	73643	52982
HWD	177745	177745	0
I90	872307	0	872307
IAD	276339	276339	0
IAH	403936	403936	0
ICT	276794	113263	163531
ILG	51015	51015	0
ILM	185216	81715	103501
IND	491502	196534	294968
ISP	162641	162641	0
ITO	86339	47537	38802
JAN	144244	67437	76807
JAX	474361	103496	370865
JFK	468461	468461	0
JNU	85559	85559	0
L30	651223	0	651223
LAF	113309	113309	0
LAN	30205	30205	0
LAS	593717	593717	0
LAX	571090	571090	0
LBB	191370	95676	95694
LCH	75528	28807	46721
LEX	231691	86605	145086
LFT	99898	43152	56746
LGA	422563	422563	0
LGB	328970	328970	0
LIT	233729	89750	143979
LNK	74734	74734	0
LOU	103371	103371	0
LVK	198838	198838	0
M03	293854	0	293854
M98	425166	0	425166
MAF	192765	64193	128572
MBS	17738	17738	0
MCI	310450	103825	206625
MCO	363305	363305	0
MDT	208070	55987	152083
MDW	217343	217343	0
MEM	214923	214923	0
MFD	19889	19889	0
MGM	129446	58601	70845
MHT	50551	50551	0
MIA	1541203	462654	1078549
MIC	47033	47033	0
MKC	121320	121320	0
MKE	299956	91388	208568
MKG	31126	31126	0
MLI	80010	32199	47811
MLU	77799	35499	42300
MMU	127709	127709	0
MOB	184710	67022	117688
MRI	152482	152482	0
MRY	60564	60564	0
MSN	179886	78032	101854
MSP	325771	325771	0
MSY	379657	127950	251707
MWH	123501	85769	37732
MYF	315479	315479	0
MYR	494860	266951	227909
N90	1854906	0	1854906
NCT	1496510	0	1496510
NEW	79091	79091	0
OAK	228929	228929	0
OGG	149593	149593	0
OKC	327660	106045	221615
OMA	103725	103725	0
ONT	122666	122666	0
ORD	707521	707521	0
ORF	270917	82179	188738
ORL	157416	157416	0
P31	268903	0	268903
P50	674035	0	674035
P80	273835	0	273835
PAE	150586	150586	0
PAO	173506	173506	0
PBI	599032	177670	421362
PCT	1330987	0	1330987
PDK	187094	187094	0
PDX	215551	215551	0
PHF	60238	60238	0
PHL	751908	289811	462097
PHX	445298	445298	0
PIA	83535	38605	44930
PIE	152090	152090	0
PIT	358277	122493	235784
PNE	102589	102589	0
PNS	119170	119170	0
POC	96714	96714	0
POU	62415	62415	0
PRC	308532	308532	0
PSC	122719	63937	58782
PSP	64484	64484	0
PTK	145565	145565	0
PUB	158567	158567	0
PVD	225543	65916	159627
PWK	97373	97373	0
PWM	150156	54484	95672
R90	218678	0	218678
RDG	89287	39770	49517
RDU	434785	187829	246956
RFD	177480	47319	130161
RHV	161440	161440	0
RIC	99045	99045	0
RNO	108003	108003	0
ROA	158977	50286	108691
ROC	170713	82955	87758
ROW	51498	21430	30068
RST	100614	55171	45443
RSW	368535	92656	275879
RVS	222348	222348	0
S46	592800	0	592800
S56	465098	0	465098
SAN	241021	241021	0
SAT	487290	160255	327035
SAV	301185	117921	183264
SBA	265763	112748	153015
SBN	178570	43574	134996
SCK	55713	55713	0
SCT	2154618	0	2154618
SDF	432452	188627	243825
SDL	176091	176091	0
SEA	400255	400255	0
SEE	170694	170694	0
SFB	187536	187536	0
SFO	359083	359083	0
SGF	193760	57411	136349
SHV	119661	34626	85035
SJC	181211	181211	0
SJU	162353	162353	0
SLC	334078	334078	0
SMF	132243	132243	0
SMO	91029	91029	0
SNA	332628	332628	0
SPI	51762	28535	23227
SRQ	151601	151601	0
STL	164482	164482	0
STP	44315	44315	0
STS	92451	92451	0
STT	54106	54106	0
SUS	148049	148049	0
SUX	34268	16426	17842
SYR	147474	63112	84362
T75	304881	0	304881
TEB	288897	288897	0
TLH	159287	72958	86329
TMB	230342	230342	0
TOA	192864	192864	0
TOL	122503	39439	83064
TPA	758183	220482	537701
TRI	115388	48582	66806
TUL	300721	97262	203459
TUS	140740	140740	0
TVC	86258	86258	0
TWF	52018	32408	19610
TYS	275019	123326	151693
U90	201536	0	201536
VGT	183213	183213	0
VNY	342330	342330	0
VRB	149233	149233	0
Y90	186041	0	186041
YIP	87637	87637	0
YNG	59777	21150	38627
ZAB	1739658	0	1739658
ZAU	2047304	0	2047304
ZBW	1446449	0	1446449
ZDC	2307673	0	2307673
ZDV	1896177	0	1896177
ZFW	2283465	0	2283465
ZHU	2261293	0	2261293
ZID	1974653	0	1974653
ZJX	2497877	0	2497877
ZKC	1778533	0	1778533
ZLA	2371639	0	2371639
ZLC	1471237	0	1471237
ZMA	2395294	0	2395294
ZME	2171809	0	2171809
ZMP	1771078	0	1771078
ZNY	2037099	0	2037099
ZOA	1423619	0	1423619
ZOB	1969064	0	1969064
ZSE	1164213	0	1164213
ZTL	2879721	0	2879721

Really exposed N90 with this one

woodfinx said:

Memphis

# of ops ÷ # of CPCs

The busiest TRACONs vastly out work the busiest centers. Sorry you guys had a rough day though. Bet y'all still got a few touch and go's

You caught us. We were on hour breaks drinking cuban coffee and playing corn hole in the parking lot. I meant no disrespect before, I had no idea I was talking to a (former) level 12*.

ChuckNovember said:

You caught us. We were on hour breaks drinking cuban coffee and playing corn hole in the parking lot. I meant no disrespect before, I had no idea I was talking to a (former) level 12*.

GOT EM HOLY MOLY

woodfinx said:

Facility ID	Total Ops	Tower Ops	Radar Ops
A11	300827	0	300827
A80	1053016	0	1053016
A90	770713	0	770713
ABE	199038	86668	112370
ABI	112932	45795	67137
ABQ	323140	148439	174701
ACK	60750	60750	0
ACT	183100	83254	99846
ACY	145886	58794	87092
ADS	135422	135422	0
ADW	57594	57594	0
AFW	124867	124867	0
AGC	69053	69053	0
AGS	116444	41036	75408
ALB	152205	59415	92790
ALO	48920	25613	23307
AMA	105988	42926	63062
ANC	282507	282507	0
APA	300670	300670	0
APC	67155	67155	0
ARB	87129	87129	0
ARR	75875	75875	0
ASE	105031	50225	54806
ATL	724329	724329	0
AUS	689758	270762	418996
AVL	164601	79581	85020
AVP	110045	39863	70182
AZO	364184	53784	310400
BDL	82794	82794	0
BED	125565	125565	0
BFI	172924	172924	0
BFL	182292	91977	90315
BGM	39865	17013	22852
BGR	103814	43842	59972
BHM	273665	102371	171294
BIL	169031	95730	73301
BIS	57760	31434	26326
BJC	264357	264357	0
BNA	635543	264284	371259
BOI	368535	143544	224991
BOS	396393	396393	0
BPT	19088	19088	0
BTR	145216	63975	81241
BTV	195981	102660	93321
BUF	202898	67967	134931
BUR	191182	191182	0
BWI	227697	227697	0
C90	1070433	0	1070433
CAE	175218	69469	105749
CAK	50593	50593	0
CCR	112496	112496	0
CDW	139961	139961	0
CHA	197637	92075	105562
CHS	314705	124851	189854
CID	97857	43784	54073
CKB	67137	15041	52096
CLE	378414	106814	271600
CLT	1099900	502410	597490
CMA	199757	199757	0
CMH	442557	128578	313979
CMI	110286	55781	54505
CNO	214019	214019	0
COS	308049	158315	149734
CPR	56953	37150	19803
CPS	112121	112121	0
CRP	324849	81585	243264
CRQ	148627	148627	0
CRW	91684	43579	48105
CSG	38007	38007	0
CVG	386973	145785	241188
D01	892976	0	892976
D10	1276028	0	1276028
D21	437091	0	437091
DAB	619868	298218	321650
DAL	257391	257391	0
DAY	40488	40488	0
DCA	340625	340625	0
DEN	612246	612246	0
DFW	659055	659055	0
DLH	113696	62303	51393
DPA	119753	119753	0
DSM	179673	84263	95410
DTW	285472	285472	0
DVT	280719	280719	0
DWH	151494	151494	0
ELM	44554	15668	28886
ELP	238002	114848	123154
EMT	94922	94922	0
ERI	24699	24699	0
EUG	154862	61308	93554
EVV	100561	40297	60264
EWR	500175	500175	0
F11	684919	0	684919
FAI	201531	114213	87318
FAR	172108	88558	83550
FAT	215604	89218	126386
FAY	145996	35484	110512
FCM	122848	122848	0
FFZ	343237	343237	0
FLL	300723	300723	0
FLO	78893	29966	48927
FNT	48672	48672	0
FPR	143690	143690	0
FRG	249730	249730	0
FSD	149384	74401	74983
FSM	165341	24537	140804
FTW	190380	190380	0
FWA	122003	42650	79353
FXE	186859	186859	0
GCN	59556	59556	0
GEG	235765	79165	156600
GFK	301944	301944	0
GGG	163944	77952	85992
GPT	143956	58374	85582
GRB	114725	36323	78402
GRR	74811	74811	0
GSO	246335	91483	154852
GSP	206775	53502	153273
GTF	64207	35873	28334
HEF	109200	109200	0
HIO	162794	162794	0
HLN	54423	44004	10419
HNL	310915	310915	0
HOU	208282	208282	0
HPN	167912	167912	0
HSV	175610	64592	111018
HTS	49322	12075	37247
HUF	126625	73643	52982
HWD	177745	177745	0
I90	872307	0	872307
IAD	276339	276339	0
IAH	403936	403936	0
ICT	276794	113263	163531
ILG	51015	51015	0
ILM	185216	81715	103501
IND	491502	196534	294968
ISP	162641	162641	0
ITO	86339	47537	38802
JAN	144244	67437	76807
JAX	474361	103496	370865
JFK	468461	468461	0
JNU	85559	85559	0
L30	651223	0	651223
LAF	113309	113309	0
LAN	30205	30205	0
LAS	593717	593717	0
LAX	571090	571090	0
LBB	191370	95676	95694
LCH	75528	28807	46721
LEX	231691	86605	145086
LFT	99898	43152	56746
LGA	422563	422563	0
LGB	328970	328970	0
LIT	233729	89750	143979
LNK	74734	74734	0
LOU	103371	103371	0
LVK	198838	198838	0
M03	293854	0	293854
M98	425166	0	425166
MAF	192765	64193	128572
MBS	17738	17738	0
MCI	310450	103825	206625
MCO	363305	363305	0
MDT	208070	55987	152083
MDW	217343	217343	0
MEM	214923	214923	0
MFD	19889	19889	0
MGM	129446	58601	70845
MHT	50551	50551	0
MIA	1541203	462654	1078549
MIC	47033	47033	0
MKC	121320	121320	0
MKE	299956	91388	208568
MKG	31126	31126	0
MLI	80010	32199	47811
MLU	77799	35499	42300
MMU	127709	127709	0
MOB	184710	67022	117688
MRI	152482	152482	0
MRY	60564	60564	0
MSN	179886	78032	101854
MSP	325771	325771	0
MSY	379657	127950	251707
MWH	123501	85769	37732
MYF	315479	315479	0
MYR	494860	266951	227909
N90	1854906	0	1854906
NCT	1496510	0	1496510
NEW	79091	79091	0
OAK	228929	228929	0
OGG	149593	149593	0
OKC	327660	106045	221615
OMA	103725	103725	0
ONT	122666	122666	0
ORD	707521	707521	0
ORF	270917	82179	188738
ORL	157416	157416	0
P31	268903	0	268903
P50	674035	0	674035
P80	273835	0	273835
PAE	150586	150586	0
PAO	173506	173506	0
PBI	599032	177670	421362
PCT	1330987	0	1330987
PDK	187094	187094	0
PDX	215551	215551	0
PHF	60238	60238	0
PHL	751908	289811	462097
PHX	445298	445298	0
PIA	83535	38605	44930
PIE	152090	152090	0
PIT	358277	122493	235784
PNE	102589	102589	0
PNS	119170	119170	0
POC	96714	96714	0
POU	62415	62415	0
PRC	308532	308532	0
PSC	122719	63937	58782
PSP	64484	64484	0
PTK	145565	145565	0
PUB	158567	158567	0
PVD	225543	65916	159627
PWK	97373	97373	0
PWM	150156	54484	95672
R90	218678	0	218678
RDG	89287	39770	49517
RDU	434785	187829	246956
RFD	177480	47319	130161
RHV	161440	161440	0
RIC	99045	99045	0
RNO	108003	108003	0
ROA	158977	50286	108691
ROC	170713	82955	87758
ROW	51498	21430	30068
RST	100614	55171	45443
RSW	368535	92656	275879
RVS	222348	222348	0
S46	592800	0	592800
S56	465098	0	465098
SAN	241021	241021	0
SAT	487290	160255	327035
SAV	301185	117921	183264
SBA	265763	112748	153015
SBN	178570	43574	134996
SCK	55713	55713	0
SCT	2154618	0	2154618
SDF	432452	188627	243825
SDL	176091	176091	0
SEA	400255	400255	0
SEE	170694	170694	0
SFB	187536	187536	0
SFO	359083	359083	0
SGF	193760	57411	136349
SHV	119661	34626	85035
SJC	181211	181211	0
SJU	162353	162353	0
SLC	334078	334078	0
SMF	132243	132243	0
SMO	91029	91029	0
SNA	332628	332628	0
SPI	51762	28535	23227
SRQ	151601	151601	0
STL	164482	164482	0
STP	44315	44315	0
STS	92451	92451	0
STT	54106	54106	0
SUS	148049	148049	0
SUX	34268	16426	17842
SYR	147474	63112	84362
T75	304881	0	304881
TEB	288897	288897	0
TLH	159287	72958	86329
TMB	230342	230342	0
TOA	192864	192864	0
TOL	122503	39439	83064
TPA	758183	220482	537701
TRI	115388	48582	66806
TUL	300721	97262	203459
TUS	140740	140740	0
TVC	86258	86258	0
TWF	52018	32408	19610
TYS	275019	123326	151693
U90	201536	0	201536
VGT	183213	183213	0
VNY	342330	342330	0
VRB	149233	149233	0
Y90	186041	0	186041
YIP	87637	87637	0
YNG	59777	21150	38627
ZAB	1739658	0	1739658
ZAU	2047304	0	2047304
ZBW	1446449	0	1446449
ZDC	2307673	0	2307673
ZDV	1896177	0	1896177
ZFW	2283465	0	2283465
ZHU	2261293	0	2261293
ZID	1974653	0	1974653
ZJX	2497877	0	2497877
ZKC	1778533	0	1778533
ZLA	2371639	0	2371639
ZLC	1471237	0	1471237
ZMA	2395294	0	2395294
ZME	2171809	0	2171809
ZMP	1771078	0	1771078
ZNY	2037099	0	2037099
ZOA	1423619	0	1423619
ZOB	1969064	0	1969064
ZSE	1164213	0	1164213
ZTL	2879721	0	2879721

So what formula do we use here? (Total ops) (Pay band) (locality) (-state income tax) (average home price) (national school rating) (girl guy ratio) (subjective points) (average temperature)

ChuckNovember said:

You caught us. We were on hour breaks drinking cuban coffee and playing corn hole in the parking lot. I meant no disrespect before, I had no idea I was talking to a (former) level 12*.

If you're so butt hurt about what you make then why not put in for MIA?

woodfinx said:

If you're so butt hurt about what you make then why not put in for MIA?

because then he would lose CIP pay. ZMA gets it and MIA doesn't. #systemisbroken

This will probably be an unpopular opinion but hear me out. If you consider the actual labor you are doing, VFR tower work is much more demanding than radar, with IFR towers somewhere in between.

VFR Tower: When it's busy you're usually standing and moving around. Your scan is a full 360 degrees. You have to deal with the sun and glare. You have to use binoculars and be able to correlate what's out the window with your scope and constantly move your strips. You act as your own approach controller and departure controller while also working the runways and a pattern. The quality of pilot is typically less in a VFR environment as opposed to IFR. The maximum amount of traffic you can work at once is based on your ability and people regularly hit their breaking point.

Radar: You're always sitting, your scan is essentially directly in front of you and whatever strips you are using. Everything is automated. You pretty much know exactly what you're getting and there are built in limits to how much traffic you can work at one time.

Obviously that's an oversimplification but your brain and body are engaged in more ways working at a VFR tower. If you buy that premise it's hard to argue that there is a worse pay/brain cell used than pre-COVID DVT. They were doing more operations/hour than almost every other tower in the country while dealing with mostly student, mostly foreign ESL pilots with zero of the perks of a core-30 airport. You can probably currently say the same about the busiest patterns now (FFZ, PRC, MYF, etc).

rhombus said:

This will probably be an unpopular opinion but hear me out. If you consider the actual labor you are doing, VFR tower work is much more demanding than radar, with IFR towers somewhere in between.

VFR Tower: When it's busy you're usually standing and moving around. Your scan is a full 360 degrees. You have to deal with the sun and glare. You have to use binoculars and be able to correlate what's out the window with your scope and constantly move your strips. You act as your own approach controller and departure controller while also working the runways and a pattern. The quality of pilot is typically less in a VFR environment as opposed to IFR. The maximum amount of traffic you can work at once is based on your ability and people regularly hit their breaking point.

Radar: You're always sitting, your scan is essentially directly in front of you and whatever strips you are using. Everything is automated. You pretty much know exactly what you're getting and there are built in limits to how much traffic you can work at one time.

Obviously that's an oversimplification but your brain and body are engaged in more ways working at a VFR tower. If you buy that premise it's hard to argue that there is a worse pay/brain cell used than pre-COVID DVT. They were doing more operations/hour than almost every other tower in the country while dealing with mostly student, mostly foreign ESL pilots with zero of the perks of a core-30 airport. You can probably currently say the same about the busiest patterns now (FFZ, PRC, MYF, etc).

Tracons also work vfr hell like that, more than not.

atc12bsthrowaway said:

Tracons also work vfr hell like that, more than not.

Yeah but we get to sit down ?

GulfBravoPapa said:

Yeah but we get to sit down ?

“Scan is a full 360 degrees, have to deal with sun and glare”. ? some high level trolling lmao

rhombus said:

Obviously that's an oversimplification but your brain and body are engaged in more ways working at a VFR tower. If you buy that premise it's hard to argue that there is a worse pay/brain cell used than pre-COVID DVT. They were doing more operations/hour than almost every other tower in the country while dealing with mostly student, mostly foreign ESL pilots with zero of the perks of a core-30 airport. You can probably currently say the same about the busiest patterns now (FFZ, PRC, MYF, etc).

Funny you mention DVT because a guy who was at DVT for 10+ years came to my core 30 easy high level TRACON and he said it’s night and day…. TRACON is way harder and talks how he misses the easy tower days.

atc12bsthrowaway said:

Tracons also work vfr hell like that, more than not.

“Squawk xxxx”. Oh look, there he is

BigEggplant said:

Lol well, what do you want to know? We have shit staffing, decent OS‘s when they show up, the worst last mile drive into work of any facility in the NAS.

The pay is great, living in LA is great, the culture is pretty decent, the air traffic is meh after covid, the construction is still a bitch… lol it’s a class B tower only.

worst last mile drive might be the truest thing i've ever read on these forums

BigEggplant said:

Lol well, what do you want to know? We have shit staffing, decent OS‘s when they show up, the worst last mile drive into work of any facility in the NAS.

The pay is great, living in LA is great, the culture is pretty decent, the air traffic is meh after covid, the construction is still a bitch… lol it’s a class B tower only.

worst last mile drive might be the truest thing i've ever read on these forums

woodfinx said:

So I did the math, so to speak. by calculating how many operations each CPC is responsible for in 2022 YTD. Center data had to be extrapolated (only had the count through 11/30). PPT current as of 12/28.

ALL DATA IS IN THIS FORMAT
FAC ID - OPS PER CPC - TRAINEE RATIO
(e.g. JFK - 11k - 25%)

HARDEST FACILITIES (Most operations per controller)
TOWER ONLY
1. CNO - 30.5k - 36.4%
2. FFZ - 28.6k - 7.7%
3. BJC - 26.4k - 16.7%
4. MYF - 26.2k - 14.3%
5. PAO - 24.7k - 36.4%
TOWER/RADAR FACILITIES
1. HLN - 34.5k - 25%
2. MIA - 26.5k - 34.8%
3. MYR - 24.7k - 9.1%
4. AUS - 21.5k - 15.8%
5. BNA - 20.5k - 8.8%
APPROACH ONLY
1. L30 - 19.7k - 15.4%
2. D10 - 19k - 26.4%
3. F11 - 17k - 13%
4. S46 - 16.9k - 14.6%
5. U90 - 15.5k - 18.8%
ENROUTE
1. ZUA - 15.9k - 30.8%
2. ZLC - 12.2k - 22.2%
3. ZJX - 12.2k - 23.9%
4. ZLA - 11.8k - 28%
5. ZNY - 11.4k - 30.1%

EASIEST FACILITIES (Least operations per controller)
TOWER ONLY
1. MFD - 1.7k - 7.7%
2. BPT - 1.9k - 16.7%
3. MBS - 2.2k - 20%
4. ERI - 2.5k - 16.7%
5. LAN - 2.7k - 15.4%
TOWER/RADAR FACILITIES
1. SUX - 2.6k - 13.3%
2. BGM - 2.8k - 12.5%
3. HTS - 2.9k - 10.5%
4. ELM - 3.2k - 12.5%
5. YNG - 3.7k - 15.8%
APPROACH ONLY
1. P31 - 8.4k - 11.1%
2. D21 - 9.1k - 17.2%
3. PCT - 9.1k - 8.2%
4. M98 - 9.9k - 27.1%
5. NCT - 11.4k - 12.7%
ENROUTE
1. ZAN - 7.2k - 21.6%
2. ZAU - 7.3k - 18.4%
3. ZOB - 7.4k - 16.1%
4. ZSU - 7.6k - 42.4%
5. ZSE - 8.3k - 20.3%
(HCF and JCF both have less than 2k ops per controller)

how did you get these numbers, is it by target CPC? Onboard CPC? do you know how many positions they have?

Ya'll want to take this into the bathroom and tell us who in winner of your argument is?

Respected Path said:

Ya'll want to take this into the bathroom and tell us who in winner of your argument is?

No I already drive an f150 raptor to a job where I sit all day. For those guys doin 360s it's a nice truck

wheresjakewides said:

worst last mile drive might be the truest thing i've ever read on these forums

how did you get these numbers, is it by target CPC? Onboard CPC? do you know how many positions they have?

Available CPC from the PPT (NCEPT)

It's the current CPC number minus Long term holds and temps.

They don't carry positions on a national level as far as I'm aware.

Phillytroll69 said:

No I already drive an f150 raptor to a job where I sit all day. For those guys doin 360s it's a nice truck

Wait, do we also correlate cars in the parking lot to country club facilities in addition to cost of living, top, traffic worked, etc?

Also, does a facility lose points for every granola snacking controller’s Tesla in the parking lot? Ooh, what about facilities with covered parking.

I don’t care how many ops you work, that’s the winner. Unless you have to ride the train into the terminal to work after parking. That shit should be disqualifying.