Hiring Bid Experienced bid: FAA-ATO-16-ATC-EXP-49432

[GulfBravoPapa]

I'm pretty sure they get some fun traffic with F16s from the ANG units (if my memory serves me correct). It can be quite a party city when school is in session, and a really nice and interesting downtown tucked between 2 lakes. Cheese curds are delicious. I havent been back there in a long time but the cost of living should be way cheaper than Milwaukee or Chicago which are both pretty close.

There are four lakes in Madison. And yes, there are fighter jets. Good city. Airport should be pretty straight forward outside of fighter jets.

 

[calm_understanding]

Thanks for the info fellas, top 5:
Moses Lake, WA
Fresno, CA
Madison, WI
Midland, TX
Middletown, PA

 

[GO]

Thanks for the info fellas, top 5:
Moses Lake, WA
Fresno, CA
Madison, WI
Midland, TX
Middletown, PA

Be very careful with Moses Lake. It is like a 3.5 year training program there at a level 6. Good group of guys but trainers are really rough. If you get it I know someone there.

 

[Dolan]

Also careful with Fresno. Heard that nobody's happy there

 

[Omm]

I saw on the latest placement list they're sending 4 prior exp to mwh, and according to the resources page they've currently got 6 cpcs and 7 trainees.
How does that even work? And 3.5 years?

 

[rugbydog11]

I saw on the latest placement list they're sending 4 prior exp to mwh, and according to the resources page they've currently got 6 cpcs and 7 trainees.
How does that even work? And 3.5 years?

It doesn't work. Its probably 6 day work weeks for the CPCS and still not enough staffing for adequate training. I would not reccomend putting that place high on a list for those reasons.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

At my previous facility we had more trainees than CPCs for awhile... Once you got certified on something you were stuck working it for awhile. That is probably why their training time is so long. Very little training when everyone is a trainee.

 

[breakaway2000]

I saw on the latest placement list they're sending 4 prior exp to mwh, and according to the resources page they've currently got 6 cpcs and 7 trainees.
How does that even work? And 3.5 years?

With their training success rate at 25%, they will continue to be pumped with trainees until their management team requests to be put on the training backlog list. Like others have stated, it's a nightmare scenario for anyone in training.
Also, just because a slot is "reserved" for a prior experience doesn't mean it'll be filled. It depends on how people rank their lists.

 

[Omm]

With their training success rate at 25%, they will continue to be pumped with trainees until their management team requests to be put on the training backlog list. Like others have stated, it's a nightmare scenario for anyone in training.
Also, just because a slot is "reserved" for a prior experience doesn't mean it'll be filled. It depends on how people rank their lists.

I hope our rankings play a role. Looking at the placement lists it seemed like there was one spot for each place I preferred, and multiple for the ones I didn't.

 

[breakaway2000]

I hope our rankings play a role. Looking at the placement lists it seemed like there was one spot for each place I preferred, and multiple for the ones I didn't.

The one spot is deceiving as well. The last large batch that went out, multiple facilities with one slot were assigned multiple people. The only reason they reserve one is so it doesn't drop into the next academy list. Places like JAN and MWH had multiple spots so close to the top, they had to reserve multiple spots to make sure it didn't drop into the next academy class in case 2 or 4 people actually want those places.

They will fill spots directly based on your ranking list. Ex. the only way you'd get your 9th choice is if there are no spots remaining for 1-8. Not to say that it can't happen, but up to this point, the lowest that I've seen a candidate fall is to their 3rd choice. If anyone does not get a facility in their top 3, I'd like to know to better inform candidates down the road.

 

[Rebecca Miller]

The one spot is deceiving as well. The last large batch that went out, multiple facilities with one slot were assigned multiple people. The only reason they reserve one is so it doesn't drop into the next academy list. Places like JAN and MWH had multiple spots so close to the top, they had to reserve multiple spots to make sure it didn't drop into the next academy class in case 2 or 4 people actually want those places.

They will fill spots directly based on your ranking list. Ex. the only way you'd get your 9th choice is if there are no spots remaining for 1-8. Not to say that it can't happen, but up to this point, the lowest that I've seen a candidate fall is to their 3rd choice. If anyone does not get a facility in their top 3, I'd like to know to better inform candidates down the road.

Can you clarify if this relates to academy list or prior experience list where people will often get their choice of top three? Or both? So if a facility is only listed once on our academy placement list, two people could potentially select the same and both end up there?

 

[ajmezz]

Pretty sure the academy list will have the facility listed multiple times if more than one spot is available. Whereas the prior experience bid it's kind of a crapshoot if you get your top selections based on however the ATO decides who gets what if multiple people choose it first, second, etc.

 

[breakaway2000]

Can you clarify if this relates to academy list or prior experience list where people will often get their choice of top three? Or both? So if a facility is only listed once on our academy placement list, two people could potentially select the same and both end up there?

Like AJMezz said, prior experience list only.

Rough Outline...
Academy list
- What you see is what you get, one slot means one slot.
- 2 spots are reserved for each person before PA's. (Ex. 18 people = top 36 spots reserved)
- 2 spots are removed for each person that fails (Ex. 10 people pass = 20 spots reserved)
- X amount of facilities will be mandatory
- selection is a draft based on your overall score (Ex. Top score in the class gets 1st pick, etc)

 

[MJ]

Academy list
- What you see is what you get, one slot means one slot.
- 2 spots are reserved for each person before PA's. (Ex. 18 people = top 36 spots reserved)
- 2 spots are removed for each person that fails (Ex. 10 people pass = 20 spots reserved)
- X amount of facilities will be mandatory
- selection is a draft based on your overall score (Ex. Top score in the class gets 1st pick, etc)

Just like it says in the Academy FAQ

 

[breakaway2000]

Alright gentlemen (and ladies), facilities have been assigned. You should be notified tomorrow where you're heading. Here is the list of where people will be going and how many are going to each. Let the speculation begin and may the odds ever be in your favor.

For the current CPC's at these locations. These spots should all show up as projected inbounds and increase your Projected % prior to the next NCEPT.

N90 - New York TRACON - 12 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
TPA - Tampa Tower - 10 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
CRP - Corpus Christi Tower - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
DAB - Daytona Beach Tower - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
DAB - Daytona Beach Tower - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
JAX - Jacksonville Tower - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
P80 - Portland TRACON - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
P80 - Portland TRACON - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
P80 - Portland TRACON - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
P80 - Portland TRACON - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
P80 - Portland TRACON - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
CLE - Cleveland Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
FLL - Fort Lauderdale Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MDW - Midway Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MEM - Memphis Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MEM - Memphis Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
ORF - Norfolk Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
ORF - Norfolk Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PDX - Portland Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PDX - Portland Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
R90 - Omaha TRACON - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
R90 - Omaha TRACON - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
R90 - Omaha TRACON - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SNA - John Wayne Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
TUL - Tulsa Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
U90 - Tucson TRACON - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
Y90 - Yankee TRACON - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
Y90 - Yankee TRACON - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
BFI - Boeing Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
BFI - Boeing Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
BUR - Burbank Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
FAI - Fairbanks Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
FAT - Fresno Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
FAT - Fresno Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
GPT - Gulfport Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
GRR - Grand Rapids Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
HIO - Hillsboro Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MSN - Madison Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MSN - Madison Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MSN - Madison Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PUB - Pueblo Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PUB - Pueblo Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
RVS - Riverside Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SAN - San Diego Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SAN - San Diego Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SAN - San Diego Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SBN - South Bend Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SBN - South Bend Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SEE - Gillespie Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
TMB - Tamiami Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
VRB - Vero Beach Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
VRB - Vero Beach Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
VRB - Vero Beach Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
AVL - Asheville Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
BJC - Broomfield Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
CPS - St. Louis Downtown - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
FXE - Fort Lauderdale Executive Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
FXE - Fort Lauderdale Executive Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
GGG - Longview Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
ISP - Islip Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
ISP - Islip Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
LFT - Lafayette Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MWH - Grant County Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MWH - Grant County Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
OGG - Maui Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PAE - Paine Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PAE - Paine Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PAO - Palo Alto Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PHF - Patrick Henry Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PNS - Pensacola Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PNS - Pensacola Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
RDG - Reading Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
RIC - Richmond Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SRQ - Sarasota Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SRQ - Sarasota Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SRQ - Sarasota Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
BDL - Bradley Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
NEW - Lakefront Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
NEW - Lakefront Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
POC - Brackett Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
RST - Rochester Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
RST - Rochester Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SMF - Sacramento Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
STS - Sonoma Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SUS - Spirit Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SUS - Spirit Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
ARB - Ann Arbor Tower - 4 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire

 

[corn4ahead]

So many great facilities!!

 

[rugbydog11]

So many great facilities!!

Right?!?!?! P80 and PDX it breaks my heart a little, but obviously I wish all these folks the best of luck.
NEW-lakefront people, if you are on here, I may be looking for a roommate or two to split costs!

 

[Cornholio]

Why would they put a facility on the placement list if they won't assign it?

 

[Mike Kilo]

PDX shouldn't be on that list. It is a desirable level 8 in a great city with a healthy ERR list.

I would think TPA is as well. Latest numbers show them releasing up to four I think.

Not sure about the rest, I know P80 struggles to get people through the program and they haven't had much luck through NCEPT, so this will be good for them.

 

[Yonem]

Alright gentlemen (and ladies), facilities have been assigned. You should be notified tomorrow where you're heading. Here is the list of where people will be going and how many are going to each. Let the speculation begin and may the odds ever be in your favor.

For the current CPC's at these locations. These spots should all show up as projected inbounds and increase your Projected % prior to the next NCEPT.

N90 - New York TRACON - 12 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
TPA - Tampa Tower - 10 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
CRP - Corpus Christi Tower - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
DAB - Daytona Beach Tower - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
DAB - Daytona Beach Tower - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
JAX - Jacksonville Tower - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
P80 - Portland TRACON - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
P80 - Portland TRACON - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
P80 - Portland TRACON - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
P80 - Portland TRACON - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
P80 - Portland TRACON - 9 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
CLE - Cleveland Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
FLL - Fort Lauderdale Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MDW - Midway Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MEM - Memphis Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MEM - Memphis Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
ORF - Norfolk Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
ORF - Norfolk Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PDX - Portland Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PDX - Portland Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
R90 - Omaha TRACON - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
R90 - Omaha TRACON - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
R90 - Omaha TRACON - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SNA - John Wayne Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
TUL - Tulsa Tower - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
U90 - Tucson TRACON - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
Y90 - Yankee TRACON - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
Y90 - Yankee TRACON - 8 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
BFI - Boeing Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
BFI - Boeing Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
BUR - Burbank Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
FAI - Fairbanks Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
FAT - Fresno Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
FAT - Fresno Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
GPT - Gulfport Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
GRR - Grand Rapids Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
HIO - Hillsboro Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MSN - Madison Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MSN - Madison Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MSN - Madison Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PUB - Pueblo Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PUB - Pueblo Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
RVS - Riverside Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SAN - San Diego Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SAN - San Diego Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SAN - San Diego Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SBN - South Bend Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SBN - South Bend Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SEE - Gillespie Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
TMB - Tamiami Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
VRB - Vero Beach Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
VRB - Vero Beach Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
VRB - Vero Beach Tower - 7 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
AVL - Asheville Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
BJC - Broomfield Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
CPS - St. Louis Downtown - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
FXE - Fort Lauderdale Executive Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
FXE - Fort Lauderdale Executive Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
GGG - Longview Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
ISP - Islip Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
ISP - Islip Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
LFT - Lafayette Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MWH - Grant County Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
MWH - Grant County Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
OGG - Maui Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PAE - Paine Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PAE - Paine Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PAO - Palo Alto Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PHF - Patrick Henry Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PNS - Pensacola Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
PNS - Pensacola Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
RDG - Reading Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
RIC - Richmond Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SRQ - Sarasota Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SRQ - Sarasota Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SRQ - Sarasota Tower - 6 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
BDL - Bradley Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
NEW - Lakefront Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
NEW - Lakefront Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
POC - Brackett Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
RST - Rochester Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
RST - Rochester Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SMF - Sacramento Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
STS - Sonoma Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SUS - Spirit Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
SUS - Spirit Tower - 5 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire
ARB - Ann Arbor Tower - 4 - Reserved for Previous Experience New Hire

The numbers on this list are the level of the facility right? How can we see how many people are going there?