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If you have 2,000 openings, and 300 previous experienced apply (40 of which were FAA CPC's), why did they choose not to select the 40 when they have so many openings.
 

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If you have 2,000 openings, and 300 previous experienced apply (40 of which were FAA CPC's), why did they choose not to select the 40 when they have so many openings.
Perhaps because those 40 have already demonstrated that they are willing to quit for various reasons leaving the agency with no one. Try new applicants who may be more willing to stay around... Just playing devil's advocate
 

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Perhaps because those 40 have already demonstrated that they are willing to quit for various reasons leaving the agency with no one. Try new applicants who may be more willing to stay around... Just playing devil's advocate
Leaving the agency with no one? Everyone's situation was different. My commute was affecting my child's development, yet the agency would not allow a transfer to a better suited location. I wanted to 'stay around'- the agency refused. I choose my child's development. It is my fault.
 

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I find it really strange that the majority of FAA CPC's who resigned (under good terms, ie, not a forced resignation) were not selected, yet everyone else I've heard that met the basic qualifications did get selected.
Not sure. I got a letter of rec from my atm and everything before I left. But I know that there were also a couple people in the same boat as me earlier in this thread that didn't get one. Idk, staying where I was wasn't worth being away from my wife for another 2 years so eh. Just gotta hope I get picked up at some point again.
 

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I got my CIL yesterday, and I have to get another drug test done and redo my fingerprints and eQIP, even though I just did it all in March. Confirmed with the security POC. Why would you need new sets of fingerprints... it's like I never left the military.
 

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I received my CIL today. I spoke with HR and my security POC. My security clearance is still good, my MMPI is still good, and medical will be getting back to me within 10 days to let me know if I need to do anything more than a drug test. I was hired on last years bid and this is my current status as a rehire.

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Medical just emailed me stating that I do have to redo the entire medical process to include MMPI. My MMPI is a year old.

Wtf man.
 
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I received my CIL today. I spoke with HR and my security POC. My security clearance is still good, my MMPI is still good, and medical will be getting back to me within 10 days to let me know if I need to do anything more than a drug test. I was hired on last years bid and this is my current status as a rehire.

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Medical just emailed me stating that I do have to redo the entire medical process to include MMPI. My MMPI is a year old.

Wtf man.
They told me the same thing... and then the FAA decided that since I'm a 2152 I'm not eligible, even though HR says I am.. so there's another battle for me since apparently FSS cannot ERR, be direct hired, NCEPT or apply through the bidding process... and I'm not even a training failure, I swapped voluntarily.
 
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They told me the same thing... and then the FAA decided that since I'm a 2152 I'm not eligible, even though HR says I am.. so there's another battle for me since apparently FSS cannot ERR, be direct hired, NCEPT or apply through the bidding process... and I'm not even a training failure, I swapped voluntarily.
Just confirming, you resigned as 2152, but the FAA says your not eligible because you resigned as 2152?
 

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Just confirming, you resigned as 2152, but the FAA says your not eligible because you resigned as 2152?
No, I'm FSS. I was at a tower, ERR'd over to FSS, and have been trying for over 2 years to get back. And because I am a 2152 (even tho we're not even the same org [we're SysOps instead of ATS]) I am not eligible for the bid, even tho before I applied and after I was told I was.
 

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They told me the same thing... and then the FAA decided that since I'm a 2152 I'm not eligible, even though HR says I am.. so there's another battle for me since apparently FSS cannot ERR, be direct hired, NCEPT or apply through the bidding process... and I'm not even a training failure, I swapped voluntarily.
Even if you resigned as FSS and were working a different job? I’m assuming you were prior experience thru the military? That’s shitty situation.
 

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Even if you resigned as FSS and were working a different job? I’m assuming you were prior experience thru the military? That’s shitty situation.
I don't know about resigned, HR won't respond to me beyond "your question has been sent to the selecting official". And yes, I was prior military which is what I based my qualified on. What's even worse is, in January they placed a guy from my FSS, who ERR'd with me to FSS, back into ATS through a bid similar to this one... so they aren't even applying the same rules. Oh well, I threw everything I had into the fight while I also pursue other paths.
 

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I don't know about resigned, HR won't respond to me beyond "your question has been sent to the selecting official". And yes, I was prior military which is what I based my qualified on. What's even worse is, in January they placed a guy from my FSS, who ERR'd with me to FSS, back into ATS through a bid similar to this one... so they aren't even applying the same rules. Oh well, I threw everything I had into the fight while I also pursue other paths.
That is freaking nuts. I think there has been a recent outflux (resignation) of employees who were put in NCEPT purgatory and they dont want to let you get to a different facility 'that easy', so they are using these non-meritorious reasons to not [re]hire you.
 

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Just got eQIP, physical, and drug test done today. If everything from here goes smooth, would it be realistic to expect to start around feb or March?
 

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That is freaking nuts. I think there has been a recent outflux (resignation) of employees who were put in NCEPT purgatory and they dont want to let you get to a different facility 'that easy', so they are using these non-meritorious reasons to not [re]hire you.
See... I'd kill to be in a spot where I cannot transfer because we don't have staffing... but we're part of the NCEPT MOU without being part of NCEPT, so that's not even an option. Union is supposedly involved, my management is supposedly involved, and since it's been a 2.5 year battle to try and get FSS eligible to transfer to ATS (since they allow transfers from ATS with no issues) I also got my senator involved. My grievance is now 16 months old and has not received any response other than 2 90-day extensions. At this point, though, I am applying for jobs outside the federal government and considering this path a wasted effort. Sad, really.. same medical, same security clearance .. you'd think there wouldn't be an issue. I wish the rest of you the best of luck... and don't let them send you to FSS unless you intend to never set foot in an ATS facility again.
 

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See... I'd kill to be in a spot where I cannot transfer because we don't have staffing... but we're part of the NCEPT MOU without being part of NCEPT, so that's not even an option. Union is supposedly involved, my management is supposedly involved, and since it's been a 2.5 year battle to try and get FSS eligible to transfer to ATS (since they allow transfers from ATS with no issues) I also got my senator involved. My grievance is now 16 months old and has not received any response other than 2 90-day extensions. At this point, though, I am applying for jobs outside the federal government and considering this path a wasted effort. Sad, really.. same medical, same security clearance .. you'd think there wouldn't be an issue. I wish the rest of you the best of luck... and don't let them send you to FSS unless you intend to never set foot in an ATS facility again.
What step is your grievance on? Contract towers aren't too bad to work at.
 

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I’m curious why you err’d to fss? If you don’t mind saying. If you have the credentials, it would prob be quicker to just resign and work contract or try for dod. Then just reapply or try for reinstatement. Unless of course you’re just over the bs and looking to move on to something else.
 

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What step is your grievance on? Contract towers aren't too bad to work at.
It went pretty much straight to DC. I was oceanic enroute in the Navy before I went to a ship, so no tower for this guy, so I can't apply for contract towers or even 80% of the DoD gigs.
 

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It went pretty much straight to DC. I was oceanic enroute in the Navy before I went to a ship, so no tower for this guy, so I can't apply for contract towers or even 80% of the DoD gigs.
Have you tried to contact natca national about the status? Sometimes you have to be the squeaky wheel
 

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I’m curious why you err’d to fss? If you don’t mind saying. If you have the credentials, it would prob be quicker to just resign and work contract or try for dod. Then just reapply or try for reinstatement. Unless of course you’re just over the bs and looking to move on to something else.
I was 1 of 2 trainees that were refused RTF, my instructors were evaluators, so I was struggling on a TRSA-based approach/departure. Literally every other trainee other than me and the guy I referenced above who ERR'd to FSS and then was able to get back through the bid process were required to attend RTF with zero approach/departure experience. That guy and I requested 2-3 times to go and were told no. It was difficult for me to sequence guys into a tower pattern and learn approach with nothing but an SOP and the 7110.65 with no local control experience or terminal radar experience. Our "ground school" consisted of QA reading the SOP to us, and our sims were non-existent. Heck, my instructors didn't even agree with each other and got into shouting matches on the ops floor in front of my FLM, and my FLM shrugged it off. I had no idea I could request a new team. NATCA told me transferring from FSS to the tower was just as easy as the other way, so I figured instead of setting myself up for failure I could bounce to FSS for a few years, reset, and bounce back to maybe a level 5 tower or something to learn the ropes.

Have you tried to contact natca national about the status? Sometimes you have to be the squeaky wheel
Yes. I get the same answer I've been getting for the last 2 years... "we're 2 weeks away from a resolution". The only difference in the response is 2 weeks can sometimes be 3 or 4.
 
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