Facility Downgrades

#47
Anyone have any more information about the review process? Like why some facilities get downgraded after a year or so and some facilities are below the buffer for 7 years straight without a downgrade.
 

MJ

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#48
Anyone have any more information about the review process? Like why some facilities get downgraded after a year or so and some facilities are below the buffer for 7 years straight without a downgrade.
There's a subjective review. If a facility is going to be downgraded they will submit a request to the facility for them to justify why they shouldn't be downgraded. Projected traffic is also taken into consideration.
 
#49
Seems like shedding light on this issue would only result in more downgrades. Because there are really a lot of facilities below the buffer. So I understand why there's not a ton of outrage I guess. But if you take a look at CIs, the way they're doing it currently couldn't be less fair. I mean it's bananas.
 
#51
How often does a facility get an evaluation?
If you drop into the buffer (downgrade) for six months, you get a traffic count audit to determine whether you're going to be downgraded or not. If you get into a buffer (upgrade), you get a traffic count audit after three months to determine if you get upgraded or not. So downgrades take six months and upgrades take three months... Any discrepancies result in a more thorough traffic count audit. If neither one of these occur, you don't get an audit and you stay at your current facility level.
 
#52
If you drop into the buffer (downgrade) for six months, you get a traffic count audit to determine whether you're going to be downgraded or not. If you get into a buffer (upgrade), you get a traffic count audit after three months to determine if you get upgraded or not. So downgrades take six months and upgrades take three months... Any discrepancies result in a more thorough traffic count audit. If neither one of these occur, you don't get an audit and you stay at your current facility level.
Thanks for your post @Robertb but I don't see how this explains why some facilities are in the red for years and years and years and years and-
Also does anyone know what a traffic count audit entails exactly? thx
 
#53
Thanks for your post @Robertb but I don't see how this explains why some facilities are in the red for years and years and years and years and-
Also does anyone know what a traffic count audit entails exactly? thx
I can't explain that other than they just started this process at the end of last year and it was supposed to last all of this year. We have a guy here on detail for the upgrade/downgrade panel on the union side of things.
 

MJ

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#54
Thanks for your post @Robertb but I don't see how this explains why some facilities are in the red for years and years and years and years and-
Also does anyone know what a traffic count audit entails exactly? thx
See my above post.

An audit someone reviews the traffic count manually. The audited count has to be within a certain error tolerance to be valid. It's a great way to spend a day staring at radar replays.
 
#55
Thanks for your post @Robertb but I don't see how this explains why some facilities are in the red for years and years and years and years and-
Also does anyone know what a traffic count audit entails exactly? thx
I was at a facility that was below their level buffer for 3-4 years. But it was due to runway construction projects and a changing military training fleet. Instead of downgrading, FAA said they'd take a look at it once everything was complete. Since the runways have now all been opened the facility has finally made it back into the buffer saving a downgrade/upgrade.

The facility writes up a justification on why they shouldn't be downgraded and if the FAA agrees, the facility stays the same level.
 
#57
Do you know how many days(hours) they examine in an audit?
Is there any rhyme or reason to the day(s) they choose to audit?
If I remember correctly, they disregard the top 10% traffic days and the bottom 10% traffic days. They choose three random days in that 80% range and manually go through the traffic count.
 
#60
On whichever days have that 80-90% busiest traffic.
Im sorry, I meant how for back in the calendar do they go? So for example, if you reach the stated threshold or 6 months below the buffer or 3 months above the ceiling do they audit days from around that current month? Is there any standard about the window in which the random days are selected?
@Robertb