Does anyone know how it works if someone is on intermittent PPL? Do I still need to call and have them show me on furlough instead or just leave it as it is and see what happens?
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#302 Sassyquatch said:
Does anyone know how it works if someone is on intermittent PPL? Do I still need to call and have them show me on furlough instead or just leave it as it is and see what happens?
I belive you would probably just do sick and convert it to furlough.
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#303 Sassyquatch said:
Does anyone know how it works if someone is on intermittent PPL? Do I still need to call and have them show me on furlough instead or just leave it as it is and see what happens?
I’d message your facrep like ASAP and have them push this up to your regional NATCA leadership just so they’re aware and to make sure this gets handled correctly. I’m not familiar with the ins and outs of it, but it sounds like a peculiar situation not known to most. Best to play things careful.
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#304 Sassyquatch said:
Does anyone know how it works if someone is on intermittent PPL? Do I still need to call and have them show me on furlough instead or just leave it as it is and see what happens?
Your manager should reach out and say that you can’t be in a leave status. You can cancel, ask it be converted to furlough or ask to use the leave retroactively. Take the furlough
OPM guidance says that PPL is a paid leave so it has to be furlough initially and you can either keep the furlough or ask it burn the leave
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#305 How would FMLA/LWOP work? What's the best angle during the shutdown?
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#306 slater said:
How would FMLA/LWOP work? What's the best angle during the shutdown?
To request furlough.
I think PPL is different and still is gonna count.
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#307 32andBelow said:
To request furlough.
I think PPL is different and still is gonna count.
Its not PPL. Its regular FMLA for a kid with medical issues under FMLA. Seems to me new parents get a little more forgiveness on FMLA.
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#308 From the NATCA email:
All paid leave will be cancelled. Employees on an authorized absence from duty during the shutdown will be placed in a furlough status for the duration of the absence.
If an individual or a family member becomes ill and can't work, they would call in like normal and it's an "authorized absence from duty", which results in being placed in furlough status. 4 days or less does not require medical certification.
Over 4 days may be waived with a signed statement as supporting evidence. Sometimes people just get sick or have painful injuries that don't necessarily result in a doctor's visit, but preclude them from walking up a flight of stairs several times a day, or typing/trackballing all day long. Acute digestive problems can present contagion to others and frequent restroom visits that aren't conducive to working a position.
When these things happen during a shutdown, of course management will be suspicious. But coincidences are a real thing. I imagine our representation could explain as such. 🤞
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#309 The timing kind of sucks for shenanigans. The yes men don't stop caring until they are personally affected, so that means the first zero paycheck. Got a long time before that. After that, like 90 percent of management won't give a damn what you do.
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#310 32andBelow said:
To request furlough.
I think PPL is different and still is gonna count.
Ppl doesn’t count. It’s a leave status like any other leave status. It’s on the OPM website I’ll find the link later.
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#311 32andBelow said:
To request furlough.
I think PPL is different and still is gonna count.
Do you also think you are telling people something wrong ?
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#312 Sassyquatch Posted from the NATCA Q&A email link from this morning.
It looks like you’ll still report for duty on your intermittent days, but will be on furlough status for your agreed upon PPL days. The furlough time you’ll get will not count toward your 12 weeks so you’re back to work date will be pushed back however long this shutdown lasts minus the days you reported per your local intermittent PPL agreement.
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#313 Recent email from Nick Daniels… looks like every controller pretty much still reports even if it’s shutdown beyond Oct. 3rd.
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#314 SquawkHijack said:
Sassyquatch Posted from the NATCA Q&A email link from this morning.
It looks like you’ll still report for duty on your intermittent days, but will be on furlough status for your agreed upon PPL days.
NATCA used old guidance here's what opm says from reddit
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#315 Phillytroll69 said:
NATCA used old guidance here's what opm says from reddit
I may be zoning reading both of these but I’m not picking up a conflict between what NATCA said this morning and the OPM guidance. OPM says you’ll either be furloughed, choose to burn leave, or report to work. NATCA clarifies upon that and says if you’re taking PPL, even intermittently, you are excused from duty during those times and are placed in furlough status. While in furlough it also does not count toward your 12 week FMLA limit.
In Sassysquatch’s case, he is taking PPL intermittently so he is only required to report on the days agreed upon by him and local management and will be furloughed the rest of the time.
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#316 I'm still not understanding why OPM says you can "use leave". Besides simply using your leave, what does actually using your leave accomplish vs. furlough status?
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#317 +TSRA said:
I'm still not understanding why OPM says you can "use leave". Besides simply using your leave, what does actually using your leave accomplish vs. furlough status?
I think at the time it was written furlough wasnt guaranteed pay. It was a protection basically saying you could use leave as an excepted employee but wouldnt be paid out until normal ops.
Later they passed guarantees that furloughed employees get paid even if they dont work.
IE I want annual since ive already booked my two weeks in Kalamazoo and I dont want to risk not getting paid.
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#318 Phillytroll69 said:
I think at the time it was written furlough wasnt guaranteed pay. It was a protection basically saying you could use leave as an excepted employee but wouldnt be paid out until normal ops.
Later they passed guarantees that furloughed employees get paid even if they dont work.
IE I want annual since ive already booked my two weeks in Kalamazoo and I dont want to risk not getting paid.
Good point. And, the OPM guidance that was shared above even basically said “we expect that excepted employees will not choose paid leave when the law cited allows retroactive pay for furlough periods without charge to leave.” They’re even acknowledging in the guidance that employees are expected to choose the common-sense option available.
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#319 I’m kind of confused about the line that medically incapacitated will report to help with training. Can they force DQd people to do admin? I thought that was just an option if you didn’t want to use sick leave.
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#320 32andBelow said:
I’m kind of confused about the line that medically incapacitated will report to help with training. Can they force DQd people to do admin? I thought that was just an option if you didn’t want to use sick leave.
Probably talking about people on admin duties. Either way they'd still probably just use sick leave/furlough
