32andBelow said:I’m kind of confused about the line that medically incapacitated will report to help with training. Can they force DQd people to do admin? I thought that was just an option if you didn’t want to use sick leave.
As long as my detail isnt cancelled
Phillytroll69 said:As long as my detail isnt cancelled
If by “detail” you mean paycheck then yes lol
Jokes aside, does this one seem a bit different? I remember previous shutdowns were more orderly, getting memos on if you were excepted the day or two before, notice of the hard time there will be a shutdown for the faa etc. this didn’t have any of that.
It also seems like basically anyone tangentially related to anything operational is now excepted. Support staff, DQed controllers, etc. seems like the definition changed to keep everything running as much as possible to keep disruption to a minimum, taking the sting out of it as much as possible.
Anyone else thinking this could be a long one? We will get a paycheck that is full to .5/1.5 days short (depending on your RDOs) bc of that extra little tail of funding the FAA has… so the first zero paycheck won’t hit for a month. Until that happens, things won’t really get spicy.
Bandit117 said:Jokes aside, does this one seem a bit different?
Has anything seemed normal about this administration?
Bandit117 said:If by “detail” you mean paycheck then yes lol
Jokes aside, does this one seem a bit different? I remember previous shutdowns were more orderly, getting memos on if you were excepted the day or two before, notice of the hard time there will be a shutdown for the faa etc. this didn’t have any of that.
It also seems like basically anyone tangentially related to anything operational is now excepted. Support staff, DQed controllers, etc. seems like the definition changed to keep everything running as much as possible to keep disruption to a minimum, taking the sting out of it as much as possible.
Anyone else thinking this could be a long one? We will get a paycheck that is full to .5/1.5 days short (depending on your RDOs) bc of that extra little tail of funding the FAA has… so the first zero paycheck won’t hit for a month. Until that happens, things won’t really get spicy.
Well the guidance has been updated to include info about reduction in force etc. My tinfoil hat says there are going to be mass layoffs.
That said the major differences in the opm guidance reflect an administrative shutdown versus an emergency.
Also BOTH sides of the aisle are out. The dems took a photoshoot and then left, the Republicans just left. So nobody is treating it as urgent, previous shutdowns I remember the chambers going until midnight...and they aren't even there right now?
Phillytroll69 said:Well the guidance has been updated to include info about reduction in force etc. My tinfoil hat says there are going to be mass layoffs.
That said the major differences in the opm guidance reflect an administrative shutdown versus an emergency.
Also BOTH sides of the aisle are out. The dems took a photoshoot and then left, the Republicans just left. So nobody is treating it as urgent, previous shutdowns I remember the chambers going until midnight...and they aren't even there right now?
My spider sense is that anyone excepted will be fine. The faa has almost 50k employees and according to Reuters the news is making it out like 11k getting furloughed is an existential crisis. So 39k are excepted, means it’s mostly business as usual.
But that’s the FAA. I imagine other agencies have many more people out, and so are at a much higher risk.
Like I said, everyone gets a mostly normal paycheck next. The one after that will be the zero check and that’s when it will really kick off.
And you’re right. Both parties are posturing, no one is going to give just to get the gov open when no one has really noticed it even shut down. I predict They are going to drag this out until it hurts and that will be the leverage. Air traffic controllers still get paid today and half of tomorrow so it’s not even at full shutdown yet
Bandit117 said:My spider sense is that anyone excepted will be fine. The faa has almost 50k employees and according to Reuters the news is making it out like 11k getting furloughed is an existential crisis. So 39k are excepted, means it’s mostly business as usual.
But that’s the FAA. I imagine other agencies have many more people out, and so are at a much higher risk.
Like I said, everyone gets a mostly normal paycheck next. The one after that will be the zero check and that’s when it will really kick off.
And you’re right. Both parties are posturing, no one is going to give just to get the gov open when no one has really noticed it even shut down. I predict They are going to drag this out until it hurts and that will be the leverage. Air traffic controllers still get paid today and half of tomorrow so it’s not even at full shutdown yet
Bingo when you refer to other agencies don't forget Oct 1 is the expiration of the delayed resignation, 100k feds just quit. Not that they're flexing saying you should have taken this deal or anything like that.
Phillytroll69 said:Well the guidance has been updated to include info about reduction in force etc. My tinfoil hat says there are going to be mass layoffs.
That said the major differences in the opm guidance reflect an administrative shutdown versus an emergency.
Also BOTH sides of the aisle are out. The dems took a photoshoot and then left, the Republicans just left. So nobody is treating it as urgent, previous shutdowns I remember the chambers going until midnight...and they aren't even there right now?
They are off today cus it’s Yom Kippur
I think they are trying to make this appear as normal as possible so ATC doesn’t start feeling ill.
Tbh I am surprised it hadn’t been done already in previous shutdowns where every ATC related role is excepted. It took until 2025 for that to happen.
32andBelow said:They are off today cus it’s Yom Kippur
reddit.com/fednews/comments/1nw744x/exclusive_senior_government_officials_privately
DankVectorz said:Has anything seemed normal about this administration?
Same as it ever was
After they fire everyone in other agencies we will be privatized. Remember when they said the project 2025 was just a think tank and didn't influence policy.
As a side note they changed to aluminum foil because tinfoil actually stopped the voices.
Phillytroll69 said:After they fire everyone in other agencies we will be privatized. Remember when they said the project 2025 was just a think tank and didn't influence policy.
As a side note they changed to aluminum foil because tinfoil actually stopped the voices.
Remember when we said it was real and other people told us it wasn’t
Phillytroll69 said:After they fire everyone in other agencies we will be privatized. Remember when they said the project 2025 was just a think tank and didn't influence policy.
As a side note they changed to aluminum foil because tinfoil actually stopped the voices.
No one outside of probation employees are at risk of getting fired. When they say "lay offs" they are talking about people being furloughed. Everyone off probation is covered by the
Civil Service Reform Act (1978). None of them/us are getting fired. They are getting a free back paid vacation lol
AlmostEligible said:Everyone off probation is covered by the
Civil Service Reform Act (1978). None of them/us are getting fired.
You failed to take into consideration the Trump playbook.
Step 1: Ignore all laws/acts.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit.
AlmostEligible said:No one outside of probation employees are at risk of getting fired. When they say "lay offs" they are talking about people being furloughed. Everyone off probation is covered by the
Civil Service Reform Act (1978). None of them/us are getting fired. They are getting a free back paid vacation lol
Can you tell me when reductions in force are allowed pertaining to a shutdown?
Legally, during an administrative shutdown, rif is authorized.
How long until this becomes an administrative instead of emergency?
They have literally said they are going to do it, and there is a LEGAL way as soon as the law changes.
Phillytroll69 said:Can you tell me when reductions in force are allowed pertaining to a shutdown?
Legally, during an administrative shutdown, rif is authorized.
How long until this becomes an administrative instead of emergency?
They have literally said they are going to do it, and there is a LEGAL way as soon as the law changes.
During a rif, employees get 60 days of advance written notice. And the right to appeal to MSPB to challenge improper procedures. I highly doubt the shutdown will last 30 days, let alone 60 days
ATCJoe85 said:You failed to take into consideration the Trump playbook.
Step 1: Ignore all laws/acts.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit.
trumps been losing a lot of court rulings from ignoring laws/acts as well
AlmostEligible said:trumps been losing a lot of court rulings from ignoring laws/acts as well
Mostly the Supreme Court will rescue him. Mostly.
AlmostEligible said:During a rif, employees get 60 days of advance written notice. And the right to appeal to MSPB to challenge improper procedures. I highly doubt the shutdown will last 30 days, let alone 60 days
So you're telling me this won't be the biggest, longest, best hugest? As long as we own the libs
They’re just gonna rig some woke shit they are already gonna rid anyways. I think they’ll nuke NATCA if too many people bang out.
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