Government Shutdown

[Peter Gibbons]

Ya all this tax talk sounds kind of sketchy to me. Yall do you though. I don't like giving the fed any more money than I have to but dealing with the possible headaches it could cause seems like a waste when I'll just get it back later in the year.

 

[Philly]

I’ve done it for probably about 5 years. Especially on those big ol honking checks. Of course you try to break even as close as possible. But I would rather cut them a check at the end of the year than let them hold onto my money. They don’t give me interest on they money that can be made on investments if they hold onto it. Anytime I ask people why they’re letting a fiscally irresponsible entity hold onto their money so they can be excited to get it back a year later most people say they are scared of doing it or don’t want to forget to change their exemption back when they are caught up about to break even. I guess it’s a good thing because if everyone did it the IRS would catch on and you’re damn right they’d be making some changes.

 

[DL0509]

I guess it’s a good thing because if everyone did it the IRS would catch on and you’re damn right they’d be making some changes.

I'm pretty sure someone has caught on during the last few days plenty of folks are stating they tried to change their witholding and it didn't go through.

 

[Shikaka]

@Josephml21 looks like it didn't take effect, I can see the change history though

 

[DankVectorz]

@Josephml21 looks like it didn't take effect, I can see the change history though

I just changed mine and it says it will take effect Jan 28

So apparently Trump recalled 36k IRS workers, and a large portion of them are using a portion of their contract that allows them to not come in during shutdowns due to undue hardship. How come our contract doesn’t have something like this?

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/23/po...nt-shutdown/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

 

[CaptainObvious]

So apparently Trump recalled 36k IRS workers, and a large portion of them are using a portion of their contract that allows them to not come in during shutdowns due to undue hardship. How come our contract doesn’t have something like this?

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/23/politics/irs-employees-absences-government-shutdown/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

I wondered the same thing

 

[RH316]

So apparently Trump recalled 36k IRS workers, and a large portion of them are using a portion of their contract that allows them to not come in during shutdowns due to undue hardship. How come our contract doesn’t have something like this?

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/23/politics/irs-employees-absences-government-shutdown/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

I read that earlier— their union President is encouraging them to use the financial hardship clause in their contract

 

[GulfCharlie]

I read that earlier— their union President is encouraging them to use the financial hardship clause in their contract

Time to add this for the next contract negotiations

 

[GMX]

OPM put out a clarification on leave for excepted employees this afternoon.

 

[Dontbotherme]

 

[Dontbotherme]

 

[MJ]

OPM put out a clarification on leave for excepted employees this afternoon.

What the... this is the most pointless, redundant thing ever.

Excepted employees can take leave during a government shutdown, as OPM reiterated. If excepted employees want to take leave, they should use the same procedures to request time off and earn approval from their supervisors as they would if their agencies weren’t experiencing a lapse in appropriations. If employees choose this option to take time off, their agencies will charge their personal leave banks as they normally would during any other circumstances.

But excepted employees also have another option, OPM said. They can work with their supervisors to be placed in “default furlough status” for any approved absence during the government shutdown. If excepted employees take this route, their agencies will not charge their personal leave banks, according to OPM.

So free leave or not free leave, its your choice! 😎

 

[liter a cola]

What the... this is the most pointless, redundant thing ever.



So free leave or not free leave, its your choice! 😎

I think it serves its purpose. It was clarification that everybody was waiting for.

I would be careful, I believe you could still be hemmed up for sick leave abuse. You should have a justifiable reason and documents to back it up.

 

[MJ]

I think it serves its purpose. It was clarification that everybody was waiting for.

I would be careful, I believe you could still be hemmed up for sick leave abuse. You should have a justifiable reason and documents to back it up.

It only needed clarification because the new legislation made what the current policy already is unclear, which didn't change for now you can volunteer to throw away your leave 🙂

 

[liter a cola]

I think it serves its purpose. It was clarification that everybody was waiting for.

I would be careful, I believe you could still be hemmed up for sick leave abuse. You should have a justifiable reason and documents to back it up.

I'm not the SL police, I could care less. If I was off the record I would say something different all I'm saying is on multiple occasions the union and the FAA has said there are employees currently working with the sole responsibility of tracking EVERYTHING we are doing. Social media posts for work actions ect ect.

The OPM guidance that has been published will cause a frenzy, just cover your bases is all I'm saying because someone might be watching.

 

[Stinger]

FAA will come out with their own clarification and guidance as well once they compare the OPM version against the CBA.

 

[liter a cola]

FAA will come out with their own clarification and guidance as well once they compare the OPM version against the CBA.

The use of such paid leave is subject to the normally applicable rules for the applicable leave program, including leave request and approval procedures. While excepted employees have the option to use their paid leave (i.e., establish entitlement to paid leave to be paid after the lapse ends), they are not required to use leave to cover periods of authorized absence from work. Instead, they may choose to remain in the default status of being furloughed during any such authorized absence during the lapse. We expect employees generally to choose to allow the default furlough status to be applied to any approved absence, since section 1341(c)(2) provides retroactive pay for furlough periods without charge to leave. (emphasis added)

What am I missing? It sounds pretty cut and dry to me.

"I'm requesting some type of leave and want it to be approved or denied as per the CBA" a decision is made and at that time you inform your supe you want to be placed in a furlough status once its approved... The same way it's been done everytime.

 

[Fjatc]

Claim 99....my father did that many years ago. Let's just say....BIG monetary mistake if caught.

 

[liter a cola]

The contract is extremely well written when it comes to leave. If management feels there is a pattern they can counsel you. They will ofc say there is a pattern... because EVERYTHING is a pattern and even the absence of a pattern is a pattern. whatevz. Congrats. Eventually it could lead to a restriction letter. So what? Restriction letter is NOT punitive and means nothing. If you are required to furnish a medical certificate then go to an urgent care and get one. No medical professional would deny a controller who feels malaise and multiple layers of stress upon stress given the current state of play. If you cant or dont get a certificate, then write your own reason. Unless there is someone so dumb to say "I wasn't incapacitated but I took SL anyway", the contract is airtight. If you have the leave you are entitled to use it whenever you are incapacitated, and not be intimidated out of it. You are even allowed 30 days of advance. No one wants their flight being controlled by someone not physically or mentally fit for duty, and no manager wants the liability of forcing that to happen.



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True but there are well staffed facilities in the faa (shocking, I know) and now some can take spot lv and enjoy a day of sitting at home with the family because they surely don't have the money to go out. And if you take sick have something to back it up. Just looking out for my union brothers and sisters.

 

[liter a cola]

Claim 99....my father did that many years ago. Let's just say....BIG monetary mistake if caught.

If you do it just to not pay taxes sure but if you owe 16k and you've already paid 20k why can't you stop your deductions?