CaptainObvious
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Half the people that comment on that stuff are droolies so can’t put much stock in it. Like where did that 17% extra number come from?
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Drop in the bucket, plus it's probably the same people that posted memes saying "no one cared when I was laid off or when the company I worked for went out of business so efff em"
Yeah well we weren't laid off and the faa didn't go out of business. We were told to report to work and you will not get paid. Big difference. So those people can go eff themselves.
Apparently we are over paid from the rest of Americans according to them
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And I welcome them to the atc life. Step right up and plug in. Miss your kids school functions and sports games. Work Christmas, go through okc and be told that you can't go home to see your son be born or else you'll be terminated.
I don't know their job so I don't tell them how to do it and I'd expect the same from them... Stay in your effin lane.
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There was a conference call in a region yesterday. Think it was Southern. Some of the specifics relayed to me from someone on the line include:
1. There are two votes in the Senate. One is on Trump's proposal from Saturday, the other is on a CR through February 8th. The union supports both bills as both bills will see us get paid. The goal is to get us paid. If the CR passes we could find ourselves back in this situation in two weeks but we will have gotten paid. The union's focus is on getting us paid, period. Everything else will be handled down the road when it comes.
2. If both bills fail to reach 60 votes in the Senate (Trump's proposal will fail, the CR is at 57-58 yes votes) the union expects the shutdown to continue for a minimum of 30 more days. This isn't a guess but what congressional insiders are telling the union. There is no impetus for further compromise at this stage and federal employees are being used as bargaining chips.
3. Word is the president will sign a CR through February 8th. The CR is seen as a compromise where both sides of the political aisle can declare a small victory. The CR is also the only legislative vehicle moving and there are no other legislative options. It the vote fails, there are no back-ups. The situation is dire and this is why NATCA has been emailing folks to call the 18 senators designated by the union.
4. As it relates to the OPM policy and charged leave or furlough, the union wants more details and will provide more info to members when they hear more. If the policy is as interpreted in the media yesterday it would not be wise for members to take charged leave when they are giving away free leave. Again, more to come on this. The concern is the union has made professionalism by controllers a key during this shutdown. Taking sick leave several days a week like the TSA could do damage to the union's reputation with Congress.
1. There are two votes in the Senate. One is on Trump's proposal from Saturday, the other is on a CR through February 8th. The union supports both bills as both bills will see us get paid. The goal is to get us paid. If the CR passes we could find ourselves back in this situation in two weeks but we will have gotten paid. The union's focus is on getting us paid, period. Everything else will be handled down the road when it comes.
2. If both bills fail to reach 60 votes in the Senate (Trump's proposal will fail, the CR is at 57-58 yes votes) the union expects the shutdown to continue for a minimum of 30 more days. This isn't a guess but what congressional insiders are telling the union. There is no impetus for further compromise at this stage and federal employees are being used as bargaining chips.
3. Word is the president will sign a CR through February 8th. The CR is seen as a compromise where both sides of the political aisle can declare a small victory. The CR is also the only legislative vehicle moving and there are no other legislative options. It the vote fails, there are no back-ups. The situation is dire and this is why NATCA has been emailing folks to call the 18 senators designated by the union.
4. As it relates to the OPM policy and charged leave or furlough, the union wants more details and will provide more info to members when they hear more. If the policy is as interpreted in the media yesterday it would not be wise for members to take charged leave when they are giving away free leave. Again, more to come on this. The concern is the union has made professionalism by controllers a key during this shutdown. Taking sick leave several days a week like the TSA could do damage to the union's reputation with Congress.
I've seen many people on here say their leave is "coded" as sick or annual. Just because it's in web scheduler as that doesn't mean that's how the individual that prepares your timecards are coding it. The Agency put out guidance shortly after the shutdown began for people to request sick or annual so that they could; easily charge the person in the event we won't get free leave, track sick leave abuse, and deter people from taking endless furlough days.
We had to do this at my facility but I personally talked and verified with our payroll lady both times she came in to prepare timecards. No one was coded for what they requested. Instead they were coded as "shutdown", for those periods not present for work. I specifically asked why we were not being coded as furlough and she showed me shutdown is a form or type of furlough but just furlough is not a code an employee can be coded for on timecards. Hope this helps some of you and if you have questions talk to whoever does your timecards. (They are moved to excepted status every two weeks for the time it takes them to complete timecards.)
We had to do this at my facility but I personally talked and verified with our payroll lady both times she came in to prepare timecards. No one was coded for what they requested. Instead they were coded as "shutdown", for those periods not present for work. I specifically asked why we were not being coded as furlough and she showed me shutdown is a form or type of furlough but just furlough is not a code an employee can be coded for on timecards. Hope this helps some of you and if you have questions talk to whoever does your timecards. (They are moved to excepted status every two weeks for the time it takes them to complete timecards.)
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This is happening at a lot of facilities. They say it is just to track SL abuse so punitive actions could be taken later if necessary. The whole thing is a mess.
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I was in on the phone call this morning as well and can attest to what you commented as being accurate.
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It should look like this in webschedules. If it doesn’t your rep needs to talk to them because they are violating policy
Oz3l0t
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Mine is not that way, but in the T&A printout it's coded as furlough
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Same. Coded 105 - Government Shutdown in ART
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WH is seeking data for what programs would be hurt if the shutdown lasts in March and April.
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Awesome.....
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If the government does not temporarily reopen today, we are in this for the long haul.
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One of those (Excepted) is when you showed up to work and the other (Gov Shutdown) is when you weren’t there. So it appears you worked 40 hrs and weren’t at work 40 hrs. Also, I’m jealous of your leave balances... Did your earned leave show up in the total? Mine didn’t even though it showed me earning leave.
