Government Shutdown

Billybob

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So if/when there's a shutdown are the folks on EA screwed as far as back pay? Can't really back pay us for not working right?
That's false. Considering we are not allowed to leave the immediate facility area and must remain sober during working hours, they would have to pay us, because we are technically working from home.
 

Phillytroll69

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I believe you are technically recallable on your admin time

Zoom is telecommuting even though you never signed the official forms.

The law was that all government employees that worked will get paid if you work.

That changed to be all government employees will get back pay when the government is funded. You are guaranteed to be paid whether or NOT you go to work, or zoom, or whatever.

Convenient time to be exposed to covid



That's false. Considering we are not allowed to leave the immediate facility area and must remain sober during working hours, they would have to pay us, because we are technically working from home.
 

Ad1234

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I believe you are technically recallable on your admin time

Zoom is telecommuting even though you never signed the official forms.

The law was that all government employees that worked will get paid if you work.

That changed to be all government employees will get back pay when the government is funded. You are guaranteed to be paid whether or NOT you go to work, or zoom, or whatever.

Convenient time to be exposed to covid


Ive always wondered what will happen when it came to this, it says employees who are required to perform work. Admin leave while we are recallable, is that considered work because I can’t drink? Natca had a hand in this along with every other government employee union, because previously we had to wait for congressional approval for back pay.
 

Phillytroll69

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Ive always wondered what will happen when it came to this, it says employees who are required to perform work. Admin leave while we are recallable, is that considered work because I can’t drink? Natca had a hand in this along with every other government employee union, because previously we had to wait for congressional approval for back pay.
Yeah it's weird for us now...
Like you get paid whether or not you work now.

You couldn't be in a paid leave status so annual and sick was furlough.

Now it's come to work and make normal (differentials?) Or take the lower check and be a scammer, but enjoy a vacation.
 

FightingIrish2012

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So if/when there's a shutdown are the folks on EA screwed as far as back pay? Can't really back pay us for not working right?
Of course they can back pay you for not working, what do you think has been happening for 6 months? Call it what you will, EA, furlough, temporary RIF, etc.... end result is still the same.
 

ClearanceClarence

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Technically, my Employee Express hasn’t shown Admin Leave since we started Zoom however many months back, so I’m pretty sure everyone on “EA” is actually teleworking.
 

ehhwuit

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Anyone that got hired on a prior exp bid that had a start date directly to facility whose start date was mid-government shutdown?

If so, how did that go?
 

Bama

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Anyone that got hired on a prior exp bid that had a start date directly to facility whose start date was mid-government shutdown?

If so, how did that go?
It got pushed back until the government opened back up. 2 month delay for me. When they opened back up my HR rep sent 3 new start dates for me to pick from.
 

Carole_Fn_Baskin

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That's false. Considering we are not allowed to leave the immediate facility area and must remain sober during working hours, they would have to pay us, because we are technically working from home.
I love that argument. “We couldn’t get fucked up!” Pay me! I don’t stay sober for free.
 

Bandit117

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That's false. Considering we are not allowed to leave the immediate facility area and must remain sober during working hours, they would have to pay us, because we are technically working from home.
Yes. On call work is defined at work in labor law. The litmus test is if your time is your own or not. If you must be ready for duty and recallable in a reasonable amount of time, you’re working.
 

Termine

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Back on track please

Good thing you don't actually need his signature, you can override a veto... oh wait... Moscow Mitch is a disingenuous rat who will happily hold off on advancing a bill because "the president doesn't like it" and will conveniently forget about Congress' override power when it suits him.
 

JTL2ATC

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Yes. On call work is defined at work in labor law. The litmus test is if your time is your own or not. If you must be ready for duty and recallable in a reasonable amount of time, you’re working.
Correct. Engaged to wait vs. Waiting to be engaged. There are certainly grey areas between each, but if you are unable to accept outside work during specified hours, and must be in a condition to be recalled, it is being engaged to wait.
 

Logical_Mongoose

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Good thing you don't actually need his signature, you can override a veto... oh wait... Moscow Mitch is a disingenuous rat who will happily hold off on advancing a bill because "the president doesn't like it" and will conveniently forget about Congress' override power when it suits him.
I would think the upcoming senate runoff races in Georgia have the potential to force Mitch's hand more than anything into overriding a veto. While, IMO, both are the GOP's races to lose, it has the potential to blow up in the GOP's face if they were to dig their heels in for the next month and a half on both stimulus AND a shutdown.

It looks like the demographic from Georgia that actually got Biden over the top was college-educated white people in suburbs turning away from Trump; the election calculus then becomes what that demographic's perception of a shutdown and lack of stimulus is. If that negative perception is enough of a driving factor to have them flip from red to blue in senate races like they did in the presidential race, then a shutdown could be averted and a stimulus package could be passed. Probably not, but who knows.

9 years ago McConnell said the debt ceiling was a hostage worth ransoming. Now he might be thinking overriding a veto for stimulus and avoiding a shutdown might be a bribe worth making. Either way it's abundantly clear that it's all a game to him and he only cares about his side winning and not, you know, the country actually doing better.
 

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Good thing you don't actually need his signature, you can override a veto... oh wait... Moscow Mitch is a disingenuous rat who will happily hold off on advancing a bill because "the president doesn't like it" and will conveniently forget about Congress' override power when it suits him.
Yah don’t pay all the CDC employees in Atlanta during a pandemic and 2 senate races. As a Democrat that would be remarkable. There’s No chance in hell MM let’s the government close
 

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Yah don’t pay all the CDC employees in Atlanta during a pandemic and 2 senate races. As a Democrat that would be remarkable. There’s No chance in hell MM let’s the government close
They’ll get something done. Even he knows that if he keeps ramming through trump nominees with the govt closed it’s a bad look for him.
 

Logical_Mongoose

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They’ll get something done.
steve carell laughing GIF
 
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