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Is RTF still pass/pass for current employees?

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gmonie

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When I went to RTF a few years ago it was pass/pass for current employees, but another controller going soon heard a rumor that it is pass/fail now. Is this true? I cant find any info on this anywhere else.
 

mrobs15

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Could they theoretically “fail” you but you don’t lose your job you just get washed out?

like you’re expected to pass rtf in order to start training.
 

Foogy

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Could they theoretically “fail” you but you don’t lose your job you just get washed out?

like you’re expected to pass rtf in order to start training.
An ATM/FLM could see an RTF failure as a training issue leading towards a training suspension.
 

Erick

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I went through RTF this past spring and it was still pass/pass, one change right after I got back though, at least for my facility, you can fail the classroom training if a sup fails you on a simulated run. Not sure if every facility works the same way, but I had 10 simulated runs and 2 evals with a sup after I got back from RTF, and before I worked live traffic.
 

estup24

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I went through RTF this past spring and it was still pass/pass, one change right after I got back though, at least for my facility, you can fail the classroom training if a sup fails you on a simulated run. Not sure if every facility works the same way, but I had 10 simulated runs and 2 evals with a sup after I got back from RTF, and before I worked live traffic.
That’s in the national training order but the graded evals are like the TETRA grade systems with the “+” and “-“ and 70 is passing.
 

FightingIrish2012

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An ATM/FLM could see an RTF failure as a training issue leading towards a training suspension.
They could use that as a BS excuse toward suspending your training down the road maybe, but finishing RTF with a “unsatisfactory” score (failing) is not supposed to prevent you from starting facility training.
 

Foogy

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They could use that as a BS excuse toward suspending your training down the road maybe, but finishing RTF with a “unsatisfactory” score (failing) is not supposed to prevent you from starting facility training.
Hence "training issue leading towards a training suspension"...
 
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