January 2020 NEST Panel

teekay717

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FAA
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ZME Memphis Center
That’s unusual that you make it that far at a center and don’t finish. Did you hit a wall in performance or was it a personality thing?

Trust me, we are pretty shocked as well. No one at my facility has heard of someone in my situation. I think it was a mixture of performance and personality; personality in the beginning then performance at the end. I had several trainers remove themselves from my training team, one trainer (whom I clicked very well with and he actually recommended certification on this sector) retired and I had to change trainers again. I had been requesting a crew change from my union reps (and TRB) for several months and they kept saying it would show favoritism. Since they wouldnt let me move crews to line up with my new training team that they had assigned, I was coming in on an RDO to work credit and get one more training day. Then summer hit and since I had sectors under my belt I was on 6 day work weeks like all of the CPCs. Some trainees under me made CPC which made a hole on the crew I was trying to move to and they finally let me move with 10 days left on my extension. Once I got to my new crew I made drastic improvements, the light bulb came on. I was so ready and felt comfortable, then 2 days before the end of my extension I think the pressure just got to me. I'd been training on this sector for almost 11 months and I was pretty sure that I wouldn't be granted a 3rd extension. I made some dumb day-1 mistakes that my trainers and sup just could not look past. The 3 sectors I was certified on were 2 lows and an ultra high. This was my first high sector (and honestly one of the most complex sectors in our building) and I think I just needed more time to handle that level of traffic. I came out of the academy straight to a 12, but I think later down the road with more experience i could make it at a 12, it was just too much right out the gate for me.
 

DankVectorz

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N90 New York Tracon
Trust me, we are pretty shocked as well. No one at my facility has heard of someone in my situation. I think it was a mixture of performance and personality; personality in the beginning then performance at the end. I had several trainers remove themselves from my training team, one trainer (whom I clicked very well with and he actually recommended certification on this sector) retired and I had to change trainers again. I had been requesting a crew change from my union reps (and TRB) for several months and they kept saying it would show favoritism. Since they wouldnt let me move crews to line up with my new training team that they had assigned, I was coming in on an RDO to work credit and get one more training day. Then summer hit and since I had sectors under my belt I was on 6 day work weeks like all of the CPCs. Some trainees under me made CPC which made a hole on the crew I was trying to move to and they finally let me move with 10 days left on my extension. Once I got to my new crew I made drastic improvements, the light bulb came on. I was so ready and felt comfortable, then 2 days before the end of my extension I think the pressure just got to me. I'd been training on this sector for almost 11 months and I was pretty sure that I wouldn't be granted a 3rd extension. I made some dumb day-1 mistakes that my trainers and sup just could not look past. The 3 sectors I was certified on were 2 lows and an ultra high. This was my first high sector (and honestly one of the most complex sectors in our building) and I think I just needed more time to handle that level of traffic. I came out of the academy straight to a 12, but I think later down the road with more experience i could make it at a 12, it was just too much right out the gate for me.

the important thing is that you have the right attitude now. You’re not trying to dodge responsibility or blame others. I think you’ll do well wherever you end up if you keep it.
 

teekay717

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FAA
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21
Facility
ZME Memphis Center
oh yes absolutely. I could have easily pointed fingers and played the victim, I just don't see how that's productive. No one owes me a damn thing and I've (hopefully) got a long career ahead of me, best not start off on a bad foot. I fully accept responsibility and I cant stand when people come into this agency thinking they're entitled to anything.
 

ATCJoe85

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If you are a new hire with 0 certs then you better not wash or withdraw because from what i hear now the FAA is leaning towards not retaining them.

When in training suspension with certainty I couldn't succeed at my first facility, somebody walked up and told me I should start looking for another job for this reason. Ten years ago.
 

Otis Holbrook

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Command Center
Careful, don't step on the bullshit

oh yes absolutely. I could have easily pointed fingers and played the victim, I just don't see how that's productive. No one owes me a damn thing and I've (hopefully) got a long career ahead of me, best not start off on a bad foot. I fully accept responsibility and I cant stand when people come into this agency thinking they're entitled to anything.
 

Letmeout

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Any one know how long it normally takes to know where we will be going?
did you make your selections already?
i was in the nov panel. got my listnov 27.
turned it in following monday dec 2.
found out dec 30 where i was going.

my results are probably different due to the holidays.
 

FightingIrish2012

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Any one know how long it normally takes to know where we will be going?
Probably a couple weeks, they have people make selections based on the order in which their training was terminated I believe, then do people who withdrew at the end. If your training was terminated near the end of this NEST cycle, people in front of you are probably still picking and you should be up soon.
 

WhiskeyTango8

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did you make your selections already?
i was in the nov panel. got my listnov 27.
turned it in following monday dec 2.
found out dec 30 where i was going.

my results are probably different due to the holidays.
Thanks. How long did they give you to move? I know its obviously different for every situation but just trying to get a rough timeframe.
My training was suspended the end of November, got my list a week ago and turned it in last Wednesday.
 

FightingIrish2012

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Thanks. How long did they give you to move? I know its obviously different for every situation but just trying to get a rough timeframe.
My training was suspended the end of November, got my list a week ago and turned it in last Wednesday.
It will depend, if you washed from a center and are going to a tower for example, they might assign you a hard date to leave since you have to go to a OKC class. If you don’t have to go back to OKC you will probably have a good amount of flexibility negotiating a move date.
 

Letmeout

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yeah i’d imagine you are still a few weeks out from knowing. Like you said it is situational on the report date.

Anything can be negotiated for extenuating circumstances. ie; lease end dates , dr appts, child stuff etc.
 

teekay717

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FAA
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Facility
ZME Memphis Center
Just a general idea, if they send out TOLs in order of when your training was terminated- My training was terminated Nov 5th and I still have not gotten a TOL. My ATM said it may be a few more weeks, as TOLs are coming from HR and they are currently shut down right now trying to process SF50s for the presidential pay raises, so we may have a longer wait than previous panels.
 

WhiskeyTango8

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Just a general idea, if they send out TOLs in order of when your training was terminated- My training was terminated Nov 5th and I still have not gotten a TOL. My ATM said it may be a few more weeks, as TOLs are coming from HR and they are currently shut down right now trying to process SF50s for the presidential pay raises, so we may have a longer wait than previous panels.

Thank you all for the information. Mostly anxious as I only had 5 facilities on my list and don't know how many people were ahead of me so I need to make sure I'm not out of a job 😂

The longer I can push it out the better as my infant has specialists appointments coming up in the next couple months.
 
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