FightingIrish2012
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That women needs to be fired, she cost the union members by driving some people to quit by pushing the extremist left wing bullshit on the NATCA pages all summer/fall of 2020.
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June pay raise?
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TowerChower
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Changing some words around is extremist? We can agree NATCA as an org is left wing, but i'd hardly consider it extremist. Unless anything to the left of you is extremist.That women needs to be fired, she cost the union members by driving some people to quit by pushing the extremist left wing bullshit on the NATCA pages all summer/fall of 2020.
I understand what you’re saying. I’m replying because it’s intentionally misleading. Malicious intent. You can claim he’s overpaid without lying about it.My point is completely based on working in the real world. I understand everything you're saying. I'm sorry you don't understand anything I'm saying.
You could say the NATCA chief of staff makes more than any FAA staff specialist and you’d be right.
You are incorrect sir. Pay rates for FAA employees, including locality pay, are capped by law at $203,700 — the rate for level II of the Executive Schedule (P.L. 104-264 paragraph 40122 c). I make more than Dean's base pay as well each year. He has a base pay in excess of every controller in the NAS. Don't forget the NATCA credit card he has that we all pay for.
You speak truth. The croneyism and top down corruption is out of control. Kick that N90/ZDC rats nest and watch the fat cats scurry and note how quick they threaten you. There are worse things than cement shoes.
You obviously don't understand what I'm saying. There's no malicious intent. You're confused, and this is not confusing. The chief of staff has a salary that exceeds all controllers in the NAS including CIP.I understand what you’re saying. I’m replying because it’s intentionally misleading. Malicious intent. You can claim he’s overpaid without lying about it.
You could say the NATCA chief of staff makes more than any FAA staff specialist and you’d be right.
You obviously don't understand what I'm saying. There's no malicious intent. You're confused, and this is not confusing. The chief of staff has a salary that exceeds all controllers in the NAS including CIP.
the useful idiot bootlickers can't think straight. They're so beholden to the company line they're stuck on stupid. Pull their string and listen to the broken record. stir, rinse, repeat. instinctively they have to defend the obvious w pedantic nonsense. corruption is corruption by any other name
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NATCA heads should have a cap of whatever the highest paid CPC makes depending on their years with the agency.
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That won't matter much. First year CPC's at some places can make $250k if you're an overtime slut. Plenty of people make over $300k. Unless you're saying don't count overtime.NATCA heads should have a cap of whatever the highest paid CPC makes depending on their years with the agency.
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Those were incentives to try and get people to bid here. It worked too until shutdown, followed by ots new hire surge, followed by Covid caused such a training backlog that most quit or withdrew. Just before Covid there were more trainees (including cpc-it) than CPC’s25% CIP. $3000 bonuses. Both were stupid and put the broader union in a bad spot. It made a lot of controllers who have equally crappy working conditions angry. It said to the FAA that N90 needs to be bribed to certify people. Who knows what was going on behind the scenes at high level NATCA. From the outside it looks like Dean was the puppet master with his arm all the way up inside Paul. Whatever happened, we've been sold out.
What kind of a dumbass doesn’t understand gross salary. You’re worse than bargatze’s wifeYou obviously don't understand what I'm saying. There's no malicious intent. You're confused, and this is not confusing. The chief of staff has a salary that exceeds all controllers in the NAS including CIP.
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Sounds like we never should have cut off training during COVID.Those were incentives to try and get people to bid here. It worked too until shutdown, followed by ots new hire surge, followed by Covid caused such a training backlog that most quit or withdrew. Just before Covid there were more trainees (including cpc-it) than CPC’s
Sounds like we never should have cut off training during COVID.
Masks are back in some places. Can't train these little snot nosed brats in face diapers!
This was relatively civil and now you've bumped it up a notch. I grossed more than Dean last year, and the year before that, and the year before that... To do this I receive a bunch of differentials and worked overtime. He has a higher salary that me. I make more money than he does (Gross). You're calling me a dumbass? I'm amazed you have the intelligence level to apply what you read in the .65. Let me explain it in a way you can understand, although at this point I'm skeptical. If you work at a factory and make $50 an hour, make time and a half, and work 80 hour a week, you'll gross around $260,000 per year. As that factory worker you grossed more than Dean. I don't know about you, but working 80 hours a week to make more than $227,000 is pretty crappy. To recap, because you need a special remedial explanation. The Base pay of the factory worker is less that $227,000, but he is able to make more by killing himself working twice as much. Should I dumb this down more for you Move78?What kind of a dumbass doesn’t understand gross salary. You’re worse than bargatze’s wife
I can accept some of the logic of what you're saying. You completely lose me the moment the guy 3 sets of day off from the newly certified CPC gets a $3000 bonus, when he rarely saw they guy, and never trained him.Those were incentives to try and get people to bid here. It worked too until shutdown, followed by ots new hire surge, followed by Covid caused such a training backlog that most quit or withdrew. Just before Covid there were more trainees (including cpc-it) than CPC’s
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You never have to work more than 60 hours a weeks, that’s a ton I’m aware and respect that it’s an ass kicker. You also are only responsible to work some portion of those hours, not all 60.This was relatively civil and now you've bumped it up a notch. I grossed more than Dean last year, and the year before that, and the year before that... To do this I receive a bunch of differentials and worked overtime. He has a higher salary that me. I make more money than he does (Gross). You're calling me a dumbass? I'm amazed you have the intelligence level to apply what you read in the .65. Let me explain it in a way you can understand, although at this point I'm skeptical. If you work at a factory and make $50 an hour, make time and a half, and work 80 hour a week, you'll gross around $260,000 per year. As that factory worker you grossed more than Dean. I don't know about you, but working 80 hours a week to make more than $227,000 is pretty crappy. To recap, because you need a special remedial explanation. The Base pay of the factory worker is less that $227,000, but he is able to make more by killing himself working twice as much. Should I dumb this down more for you Move78?
He and the other higher ups probably work 60 every week. Then have to talk a phone calls and potentially work at all hours in case something happens.
Gross/net whatever. Many of us would not take his pay to be on call all the time. And actually work 60 hours a week.
There is a reason someone in that position makes that much. Many if not all work take a pay cut to work 5/5 and 5/10 because we don’t want to be at work. Yea it’s a lot, but work life balance is different. Don’t be so obtuse.
Does he have to compete agains others for leave? Do you have evidence he works 60 hours a week? Is he working rotating shift and mid? Does he have the responsibility of working live traffic? Aside from all that, my argument is less about what he makes and more about this union failing its members. If the higher ups are working against your interest, then the more they work the more damage they do. In response to the guys who can't comprehend variables in pay, don't forget the income he's earning in retirement. Because I can comprehend these variables I don't consider them, but since you're so hung up on what to tell the tax man, don't forget to add his $100k+ in pension.You never have to work more than 60 hours a weeks, that’s a ton I’m aware and respect that it’s an ass kicker. You also are only responsible to work some portion of those hours, not all 60.
He and the other higher ups probably work 60 every week. Then have to talk a phone calls and potentially work at all hours in case something happens.
Gross/net whatever. Many of us would not take his pay to be on call all the time. And actually work 60 hours a week.
There is a reason someone in that position makes that much. Many if not all work take a pay cut to work 5/5 and 5/10 because we don’t want to be at work. Yea it’s a lot, but work life balance is different. Don’t be so obtuse.
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If he in employed by the union, not the FAA that does not go toward his pension unless the union gives him an additional pension . Since he makes 227, he is not paid by the FAA correct as you pointed out earlier or someone did.Does he have to compete agains others for leave? Do you have evidence he works 60 hours a week? Is he working rotating shift and mid? Does he have the responsibility of working live traffic? Aside from all that, my argument is less about what he makes and more about this union failing its members. If the higher ups are working against your interest, then the more they work the more damage they do. In response to the guys who can't comprehend variables in pay, don't forget the income he's earning in retirement. Because I can comprehend these variables I don't consider them, but since you're so hung up on what to tell the tax man, don't forget to add his $100k+ in pension.
You are choosing what is valuable and think you should make more. If you think he doesnt work that much you are foolish. I don’t need evidence.
You too can work outside of the operation if you think those things are more important to your work life balance and not have to compete for leave, work rotating shifts etc etc
Telling someone they don’t understand a simple concept is just a wimpier way to say dumbass. We both understand each each other. But you’re argument is horseshit.This was relatively civil and now you've bumped it up a notch. I grossed more than Dean last year, and the year before that, and the year before that... To do this I receive a bunch of differentials and worked overtime. He has a higher salary that me. I make more money than he does (Gross). You're calling me a dumbass? I'm amazed you have the intelligence level to apply what you read in the .65. Let me explain it in a way you can understand, although at this point I'm skeptical. If you work at a factory and make $50 an hour, make time and a half, and work 80 hour a week, you'll gross around $260,000 per year. As that factory worker you grossed more than Dean. I don't know about you, but working 80 hours a week to make more than $227,000 is pretty crappy. To recap, because you need a special remedial explanation. The Base pay of the factory worker is less that $227,000, but he is able to make more by killing himself working twice as much. Should I dumb this down more for you Move78?
You don’t make your base salary. A staff specialist or NATCA employee does. It’s not apples to apples to use your term. Again you’re trying to use a technicality to make a point that you don’t need to be dishonest about. You can still make the point. It’s a useless number. It’s misleading.
You make your gross you’re taxed on your gross you get paid your gross.
Why don’t you tell me what time you went to bed last night and I’ll just look up all the flights that land in Florida and guess which one you’re on.
I think the people reading this who have half a brain know I'm not trying to mislead anyone or be dishonest. I'm being very clear about everything I'm saying. I'll use Move78 logic from now on and say he made at least $327,000 last year because he's getting a pension check from the government and NATCA. So he's grossing more than the vast majority of controllers. I think I went to sleep around 10:30 last night.Telling someone they don’t understand a simple concept is just a wimpier way to say dumbass. We both understand each each other. But you’re argument is horseshit.
You don’t make your base salary. A staff specialist or NATCA employee does. It’s not apples to apples to use your term. Again you’re trying to use a technicality to make a point that you don’t need to be dishonest about. You can still make the point. It’s a useless number. It’s misleading.
You make your gross you’re taxed on your gross you get paid your gross.
Why don’t you tell me what time you went to bed last night and I’ll just look up all the flights that land in Florida and guess which one you’re on.
2 different jobs dude. But you know that. You just don’t care act in good faith here. You should be an OM.I think the people reading this who have half a brain know I'm not trying to mislead anyone or be dishonest. I'm being very clear about everything I'm saying. I'll use Move78 logic from now on and say he made at least $327,000 last year because he's getting a pension check from the government and NATCA. So he's grossing more than the vast majority of controllers. I think I went to sleep around 10:30 last night.
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