LGA Accident

[DankVectorz]

The mentality comes from way above the front line sups.

Those sups are the future higher ups and the current higher ups were those sups.

 

[Shikaka]

That’s what happens when you get supervisors who come to a 12 Tracon from 5 up/down, only have to get pencil whipped in one position and have no fucking clue what is going on. Had a supervisor yesterday doing a skill check and had to keep asking the trainer if they were doing it right. wtf is that?

...are we at the same TRACON or is this a nationwide thing...

 

[Phillytroll69]

Sup track-Assigned 12 center, fail, go 5 vfr tower, sup at 12 tracon.

Union likes them and checks them out to build their influence/control.

 

[32andBelow]

Sup track-Assigned 12 center, fail, go 5 vfr tower, sup at 12 tracon.

Union likes them and checks them out to build their influence/control.

Union strips good controller of all future seniority and pisses them off forever and then wonders why the negotiation isn’t going well.

 

[rugbydog11]

That’s what happens when you get supervisors who come to a 12 Tracon from 5 up/down, only have to get pencil whipped in one position and have no fucking clue what is going on. Had a supervisor yesterday doing a skill check and had to keep asking the trainer if they were doing it right. wtf is that?

Also what happens when people jump to be supervisors with 3 years in the agency for the pay raise and have zero fucking skills at running a shift. Which usually deviates from CPC numbers. And when supervisor are as complacent as possible because there's never any discipline for them being dog shit

 

[Phillytroll69]

Also what happens when people jump to be supervisors with 3 years in the agency for the pay raise and have zero fucking skills at running a shift. Which usually deviates from CPC numbers. And when supervisor are as complacent as possible because there's never any discipline for them being dog shit

Have you tried pro standards?

 

[GulfCharlie]

Also what happens when people jump to be supervisors with 3 years in the agency for the pay raise and have zero fucking skills at running a shift. Which usually deviates from CPC numbers. And when supervisor are as complacent as possible because there's never any discipline for them being dog shit

Not denying that, when I was at BNA it felt like every year we had a new ATM. On the flip side though I never blame people for doing what they need to do to get home.

 

[rugbydog11]

Have you tried pro standards?

Yes. The main culprit of my frustration ended up medically retiring somehow to avoid getting in trouble for being terrible at being a sup. Fail your way up, and scam your way out. The faa way.

 

[32andBelow]

Not denying that, when I was at BNA it felt like every year we had a new ATM. On the flip side though I never blame people for doing what they need to do to get home.

The simple fix is making all sups be fully rated and be able to work just like everyone else.

 

[DankVectorz]

The simple fix is making all sups be fully rated and be able to work just like everyone else.

This is how it was at N90. Here at PHL it’s the “1 scope” method and I don’t know how the fuck this is the norm. I miss when we only had 1 sup so almost always had CIC and everything ran so much smoother.

 

[GulfCharlie]

The simple fix is making all sups be fully rated and be able to work just like everyone else.

Agreed. 100%

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

That’s what happens when you get supervisors who come to a 12 Tracon from 5 up/down, only have to get pencil whipped in one position and have no fucking clue what is going on. Had a supervisor yesterday doing a skill check and had to keep asking the trainer if they were doing it right. wtf is that?

Happens at the Centers too. I once had a supervisor get certified on a D-side in my area by a supervisor who was not a supervisor is my area. Make it make sense

 

[Shikaka]

We had a supervisor get certified after all the CPCs refused to recommend them.

 

[Spoony90]

We had a supervisor get certified after all the CPCs refused to recommend them.

My facility has certified CPC this was. And boy do we pay the price

 

[32andBelow]

We had a supervisor get certified after all the CPCs refused to recommend them.

50% of the training team. 1 trainer 1 sup and the trianee. 2/3 you lose

 

[Shikaka]

50% of the training team. 1 trainer 1 sup and the trianee. 2/3 you lose

Not at a west coast TRACON, supervisors get a pass. Not a single CPC in the area was willing to recommend so management did it anyway.

They turned out to be a top tier supe and I wish them the best in their career but controller wise was lacking.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

Have you tried pro standards?

Isn't Pro Standards peer to peer? So a controller can't take a supe to PS.

 

[32andBelow]

Not at a west coast TRACON, supervisors get a pass. Not a single CPC in the area was willing to recommend so management did it anyway.

They turned out to be a top tier supe and I wish them the best in their career but controller wise was lacking.

No that’s what I’m saying. The trainee gets a vote and the sup gets a vote so the trainers vote is irrelevant

 

[Shikaka]

No that’s what I’m saying. The trainee gets a vote and the sup gets a vote so the trainers vote is irrelevant

Maybe but our training teams are 3 CPCs, the trainee and a supe. So they certified them on a 2/5

 

[HurryUpandWait]

The AI

This is all speculative right now without hard facts so take it for what it’s worth. The facts I can see are

1. Controller is working both Ground and Local combined dealing with a very busy airport despite it being very late at night. Hell the United emergency couldn’t even get a gate because they were that full.

2. Sean Duffey confirmed in his press briefing today that the controller was not the only one in the tower. Looking back to fact 1 this leads me to believe the 2nd person in the tower was a standalone CIC. Which has been a policy push for the last year. This clearly is a stupid and inadequate policy because the possible standalone CIC not only did not catch the mistake, they took very little off the combined controllers extremely busy plate. Had ground been combined to CIC and they only worked that traffic it’s very possible this mistake never occurred, if everything I’m assuming from audio are the facts.

ahh the good ole sup being stand alone CIC in the back doing absolutely nothing while the CPC is combined up.