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MMPI-2 Tier 2 Process

kx

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This is my first post here so I apologize if it is in the wrong place. I figured starting a new thread would be a better idea instead of trying to find a past one that fits my situation. I have hit a brick wall with my medical analyst and am hoping someone here might be able to give me some insight on what (if anything) I can do to help my process.

I took my MMPI in October 2017 and completed the drug test, fingerprints, medical exam, etc. in October/November. I hadn't heard anything back by February 2018 so I called regional medical and left a message asking for updates. I then received an email from my medical contact saying that I needed further evaluation. A day later, I received an email from Hope saying that I failed the MMPI, needed further evaluation and that necessary paperwork would be generated when a doctor was found to take my case. I heard nothing until June 2018 when I was asked to complete an SF180 to release my military personnel records; I completed and returned it the same day as I received it. I emailed my medical POC a few weeks later to asked if she received my files; she had not. I called my regional medical office in mid-July (because my medical analyst was not returning my calls) and was told my file was lacking my VA disability letter and personnel files. I sent my medical POC the VA letter back in November 2017 and she confirmed she received it, so that was news to me. I sent regional my VA letter and then asked my medical analyst what happened with the VA letter (why it was never uploaded) and for general updates, she ignored all of my questions and basically said there was nothing for me to do at this time. At this point (August 2017) I felt I needed to follow up on my personnel files so I contacted the USAF to see if they could help. I got in touch with a helpful representative that emailed my files to my medical POC. I confirmed with my medical analyst that she received them; she said that she did and that my file had been forwarded to the Tier 2 program for review and there was nothing more for me to do at this time. I have been stuck at this point since August and have not been provided and information on what comes next. I have asked for updates since then but have been told "there will be no updates until my file is complete with the Tier 2 program". I have asked my medical POC numerous times what the next step will be, to make sure that nothing is missing, if they need more information, etc., and all of my questions/requests have gone unanswered. I have left her voicemails that have never been returned. I have cleared all other steps and this Tier 2 is the only thing holding me up. I can't contact the Tier 2 people because in my original email, it said emails will not be returned. I have reached out to the Patriots email (as instructed by Aviation Careers) and regional medical and all queries were directed back to my medical POC instead of anyone else giving me answers. I feel as if I reach out to anyone else, they'll just redirect my questions to my analyst and I will end up frustrating her further. I can pretty much tell she's tired of me contacting her.

I am hoping someone here can enlighten me as to what comes next in the process? I realize that eventually I will get a doctor's name and an appointment, but is there anything that I could be missing that would be preventing me from getting an appointment? Are medical analysts not allowed to answer your questions or tell you the steps in the process? I have moved regions since my process started but still have the same analyst. I am applying for the May 2017 Experienced bid and am located in the Western Pacific region (I came from the Southeast region). I was a controller in the USAF but have since separated. I have had no legal trouble (misdemeanors, tickets other than speeding, etc) in my life or any disciplinary issues while I was serving. I rarely went to the doctor (maybe 3 times, only when I was very sick) while I was in the Air Force. I have never been to a psychiatrist or had any issues with mental health. I have sent my POC a fully copy of my military medical chart to try to help the process.

I realize this is a lot to read and hope it all makes sense. I am trying to be patient but it is difficult when I don't really know how far along I am or what is holding me up. Any information anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
 
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MJ

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There's nothing to be done. You have to wait on whoever it is will be conducting the evaluation; It's not the FAA. The timeline is completely on their schedule. There's nothing for HR to answer because your package is done until the T2 is complete, then the med people can do their thing and pass/fail you.
 

kx

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Thanks for your reply. So basically I am just waiting for them to give me a doctor's name to schedule the Tier 2 eval?
 

kx

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Ugh. Figures. Oh well. There are probably people out there that have it worse than I do so I'll try to be more grateful for the opportunity to wait. Thanks for your help!
 

COWTOWN

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I have friends that have been waiting a little over two years for this to be completed stuck at the same step as you also prior AF. Best thing to do is to live life as it's not going to happen and hope for the best in the mean time. Good luck. It's a horribly long process.
 

StealthChain

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It's almost as if the FAA should have a list of approved providers in any given area and once they have received your military records they should allow YOU to do the scheduling and have the provider send back their results to your medical/tier 2 POC.
 

kx

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I have friends that have been waiting a little over two years for this to be completed stuck at the same step as you also prior AF. Best thing to do is to live life as it's not going to happen and hope for the best in the mean time. Good luck. It's a horribly long process.
Wow, that's really unfortunate. I hope they get some good news soon. I really wish they would just tell us what's holding us up.. I feel like this process is extremely drawn out and could run a lot smoother if they changed some things.
 

kx

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It's almost as if the FAA should have a list of approved providers in any given area and once they have received your military records they should allow YOU to do the scheduling and have the provider send back their results to your medical/tier 2 POC.
I agree. The process could run smoother if they allowed us to do some of the leg work. One of the first questions I asked when I found out I was Tier 2 was if I could pay for the evaluation out of pocket if it were with an approved Aviation Psychiatrist. I would gladly do so if it would speed up the process.
 

YouAppearToBeOnFire

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*I am not a lawyer*

But you can write Congress, file an FOIA/privacy act request, and move into litigation.

I’m not saying you should but it’s unacceptable how long this process is.

There’s only one person handling tier two files and they have over 200 cases. That doesn’t make sense given only a handful make it through tier 2 a month.

Soon the 2017 tier 2 will be in the same seat as some 2016. Stuck behind because the tier 2 office can’t keep up.
 

Muckstic

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There’s only one person handling tier two files and they have over 200 cases. That doesn’t make sense given only a handful make it through tier 2 a month.
Do you happen to know more specific numbers on how many cases there are and how many get completed per month? Just curious.
 

YouAppearToBeOnFire

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Do you happen to know more specific numbers on how many cases there are and how many get completed per month? Just curious.

If I did, I’d be a GS-13 and probably not trying to clear medical myself at this point.

It’s over 200. I’d assume maybe 10 clear a month. At most 20 based on what I’ve guesstimated.

It’s a massive issue.
 

Muckstic

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If I did, I’d be a GS-13 and probably not trying to clear medical myself at this point.

It’s over 200. I’d assume maybe 10 clear a month. At most 20 based on what I’ve guesstimated.

It’s a massive issue.
I agree, in fact I was assuming it's even worse. HR seems to be having trouble filling up classes now so I wouldn't be surprised if there were 300 in tier II and 10-20 clear per month like you said.
It doesn't seem like a lot of people are making their appointment lately either which concerns me. If somebody had some stats to share, I may feel like there's some movement with this process cuz right now I don't see much movement at all.
 

StealthChain

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I agree, in fact I was assuming it's even worse. HR seems to be having trouble filling up classes now so I wouldn't be surprised if there were 300 in tier II and 10-20 clear per month like you said.
It doesn't seem like a lot of people are making their appointment lately either which concerns me. If somebody had some stats to share, I may feel like there's some movement with this process cuz right now I don't see much movement at all.
Do you mean people are receiving appointments and just not going?
 
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I took MMPI in Nov 2017, found out Feb 2018 I was Tier 2, October 1st i got email to schedule my appointment, I took appointment Oct 25 2018, and now i wait and wait and wait and .... and its the holiday season, everyone takes leave so that doesnt help
 

StealthChain

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yeah i agree and you would think that, the issue I had was getting all my OMPF and medical records from the navy sent to the FAA, the whole process takes so long
They had my records in a a couple of months or so. Once the flight surgeon looks at my record and approves it there shouldn't be more than a month of them figuring out what state/region I'm in and telling me the closest approved providers to go schedule with. The biggest issue is there is no communication from tier 2 to the applicants.

Also, since I've been told my file was reviewed and approved by the flight surgeon, who reviews it after my appointment?
 
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