PHX vs DVT

[Flyaboveall]

Harder facility overall? Should DVT get paid the same or more as PHX?

 

[Mike Kilo]

Harder facility overall? Should DVT get paid the same or more as PHX?

They are getting upgraded to a 9. So they should get 9 pay.

 

[ATC_av8er]

Maybe someone who has worked at both can chime in.

It's not that easy to say one is harder than the other. Some people go from Class D DVT to Class B PHX and struggle, since PHX is much more proceduralized. Others go from PHX to DVT and struggle since DVT is much more seat-of-your-pants controlling.

There is much more to determining facility complexity than mere traffic count. Is DVT complex airspace? What does their mix of traffic look like? Intersecting runways? Mountainous terrain? Do they get much military traffic? How about Air Carriers? Are they Class B, C, or D airspace? What is their Itinerant count vs. local pattern traffic? Every single one of these criteria counts for something when determining how hard a facility is, and "hard" is a very subjective definition in this context.

Will you get your ass kicked at DVT almost every day, probably, but so will the guys at PHX. PHX has more concrete they need to move around which immediately makes their job harder than DVT. The fine folks at DVT have to deal with 97% of their traffic on a "V" tag all day long, having to think of creative ways to move them in an out. That makes DVT more difficult in that sense. Different facilities, different definitions of "hard".

 

[CF]

Maybe someone who has worked at both can chime in.

It's not that easy to say one is harder than the other. Some people go from Class D DVT to Class B PHX and struggle, since PHX is much more proceduralized. Others go from PHX to DVT and struggle since DVT is much more seat-of-your-pants controlling.

There is much more to determining facility complexity than mere traffic count. Is DVT complex airspace? What does their mix of traffic look like? Intersecting runways? Mountainous terrain? Do they get much military traffic? How about Air Carriers? Are they Class B, C, or D airspace? What is their Itinerant count vs. local pattern traffic? Every single one of these criteria counts for something when determining how hard a facility is, and "hard" is a very subjective definition in this context.

Will you get your ass kicked at DVT almost every day, probably, but so will the guys at PHX. PHX has more concrete they need to move around which immediately makes their job harder than DVT. The fine folks at DVT have to deal with 97% of their traffic on a "V" tag all day long, having to think of creative ways to move them in an out. That makes DVT more difficult in that sense. Different facilities, different definitions of "hard".

Nicely written.

Though it's hard to ignore the 50% success rate at one at the 97% at the other.*

*.65 wiki pages.

 

[Mike Kilo]

Nicely written.

Though it's hard to ignore the 50% success rate at one at the 97% at the other.*

*.65 wiki pages.

Except you have to look deeper at where each facility gets its hirees. From the nest? Prior experience? PHX most likely has its pick of bidders, more experienced and more familiar with air carrier ops.
With that said, DVT sounds like hell to me lol.

 

[CF]

Except you have to look deeper at where each facility gets its hirees. From the nest? Prior experience? PHX most likely has its pick of bidders, more experienced and more familiar with air carrier ops.
With that said, DVT sounds like hell to me lol.

They have about the same operations a year. I'll take 400k air carriers over 400k patterns and biz jets any day. Lol.

 

[Dolan]

DVT is more difficult in every single way. Absolutely no contest imo

 

[jdatc]

Harder facility overall? Should DVT get paid the same or more as PHX?

DVT > PHX > RNO > DEN > N90

until someone who has worked at both posts, it’s all conjecture.

 

[semperfly]

Lol DVT blows PHX out of the water in regards to difficulty. All facilities aren't created equal. The 4-12 level system is no indication of difficulty. Go visit both places and you'll see.

 

[shade]

Yeah man DVT is no joke. I want no parts of that noise but I’ve always considered PHX.

 

[Flyaboveall]

Lol DVT blows PHX out of the water in regards to difficulty. All facilities aren't created equal. The 4-12 level system is no indication of difficulty. Go visit both places and you'll see.

Messed up that they got same or more pay as PHX then

 

[semperfly]

GA VFR tower controllers are underpaid.