Shoot The Breeze 3.0

[Homsar]

Imagine having zero good takes so you just constantly post logic wikis

Ad hominem - Wikipedia

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[kombucha23]

Dumb and Dumber - Wikipedia

 

[Peter Gibbons]

All I'm gonna say is it truly is crazy world thinking when the same people all about their (their being the operative word here) freedoms and not creating or caring for "societal leeches" want to take away a freedom that will prevent more societal leeches. Talk to me when you actually support some iniatives that protect the sanctity and quality of life for human beings who are actually fully formed and functional. These two things do not compute, unless your intent is to create a poor, lower class of people that are easier for you to subjugate and have do the jobs and fill the roles in society you feel above doing.

Oh wait I get it now. That IS the point.

 

[William_Dell]

All I'm gonna say is it truly is crazy world thinking when the same people all about their (their being the operative word here) freedoms and not creating or caring for "societal leeches" want to take away a freedom that will prevent more societal leeches. Talk to me when you actually support some iniatives that protect the sanctity and quality of life for human beings who are actually fully formed and functional. These two things do not compute, unless your intent is to create a poor, lower class of people that are easier for you to subjugate and have do the jobs and fill the roles in society you feel above doing.

Oh wait I get it now. That IS the point.

"Actually fully formed and functional" there's an issue. There is no evidence where that can be measured. It's subjective. If your 2 year old craps himself and cannot make a meal for himself, then he's not fully formed and functional. Off with his head!

Assuming the "poor, lower class" are the aborters and that they will stay poor and lower class because of a child is poor taste as well. No pun intended. Guess we should just round them all up and get rid of them so we can all be middle class. Goofball.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

"Actually fully formed and functional" there's an issue. There is no evidence where that can be measured. It's subjective. If your 2 year old craps himself and cannot make a meal for himself, then he's not fully formed and functional. Off with his head!

How about able to survive outside the womb more or less? I'm not going to be the arbiter of when "life begins" but let's be real here and differentiate between a fully formed person and a fetus. Hell I know plenty of adults by your premises that aren't fully formed. This point is just dense.

Assuming the "poor, lower class" are the aborters and that they will stay poor and lower class because of a child is poor taste as well.

No it's not, it's demonstrable fact that a large portion of abortions are performed on working class women, and that statistically single mothers/teenage mothers/lower income households who may not be able to support children but have them anyways are more likely to have less education, less income, and more likely to be on public assistance of one type or another, and less likely to be able to get themselves out of such a situation. Plenty of studies on this, Google is your friend.

and that's not even bringing in the "values" argument of the prospective children now being raised in such an environment, and how that effects thier lifetime outcomes.

No pun intended. Guess we should just round them all up and get rid of them so we can all be middle class. Goofball.

Not at all, just saying being pro life for clumps of cells is cheap talk when you aren't pro life once they leave the womb, or aren't willing to put up or shut up to fix the other societal problems exacerbated by forcing women to have children they can't support, aren't ready for, or don't want for reasons that don't require your approval or input as an individual that isn't involved in their lives at all.

 

[Homsar]

All I'm gonna say is it truly is crazy world thinking when the same people all about their (their being the operative word here) freedoms and not creating or caring for "societal leeches" want to take away a freedom that will prevent more societal leeches. Talk to me when you actually support some iniatives that protect the sanctity and quality of life for human beings who are actually fully formed and functional. These two things do not compute, unless your intent is to create a poor, lower class of people that are easier for you to subjugate and have do the jobs and fill the roles in society you feel above doing.

Oh wait I get it now. That IS the point.

You're not wrong. The problem is when extremists on both side of the issue seize the narrative and gain power to act on it, because that's what leads to results like this (and many other political issues, including guns). There was a broad expectation of "how far" this ruling was going to go; whether it simply upheld the Mississippi law, or it went as far as it seems to be going by getting rid of Roe. You had anti-abortionist extremists wanting a complete repeal of Roe, and you had pro-abortionist extremists wanting partial birth abortion legalized country-wide and trying to "normalize men being pregnant." When you look at polls, most people support abortion up to a certain point in a pregnancy, with the fringes wanting less or more, but we rarely hear politicians or media espouse that seemingly compromise viewpoint, we hear the extremes instead, and that sadly are the tribal choices people are left to vote for. We really need a "voice of the people" party.

 

[William_Dell]

How about able to survive outside the womb more or less? I'm not going to be the arbiter of when "life begins" but let's be real here and differentiate between a fully formed person and a fetus. Hell I know plenty of adults by your premises that aren't fully formed. This point is just dense.


No it's not, it's demonstrable fact that a large portion of abortions are performed on working class women, and that statistically single mothers/teenage mothers/lower income households who may not be able to support children but have them anyways are more likely to have less education, less income, and more likely to be on public assistance of one type or another, and less likely to be able to get themselves out of such a situation. Plenty of studies on this, Google is your friend.

and that's not even bringing in the "values" argument of the prospective children now being raised in such an environment, and how that effects thier lifetime outcomes.


Not at all, just saying being pro life for clumps of cells is cheap talk when you aren't pro life once they leave the womb, or aren't willing to put up or shut up to fix the other societal problems exacerbated by forcing women to have children they can't support, aren't ready for, or don't want for reasons that don't require your approval or input as an individual that isn't involved in their lives at all.

Survive outside the womb more or less, you prove my point. You obviously don't have an answer there.

Plenty of studies on poor people being poor. Good job. So instead of holding people accountable for leaving marriages and having children out of wedlock, we'll just end a life. I see a lot of homeless on the streets where I live. Drains on society. "less education, less income, and more likely to be on public assistance of one type or another, and less likely to be able to get themselves out of such a situation." Might as well kill them too. Are you sure you're not one of these "Q's" I hear about?

"Forcing women to have children they can't support" in 90% of the situations (Google is your friend) it is not rape/incest or whatever other sad thing you want to use to justify. It's sex. If you're not sure about that, Amazon probably has books on "The birds and the bees". Shouldn't be hard to find.

 

[32andBelow]

The only group people on earth that want to ban abortion are evangelical Christians. Why are we living under Christian law?

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Survive outside the womb more or less, you prove my point. You obviously don't have an answer there.

Plenty of studies on poor people being poor. Good job. So instead of holding people accountable for leaving marriages and having children out of wedlock, we'll just end a life. I see a lot of homeless on the streets where I live. Drains on society. "less education, less income, and more likely to be on public assistance of one type or another, and less likely to be able to get themselves out of such a situation." Might as well kill them too. Are you sure you're not one of these "Q's" I hear about?

"Forcing women to have children they can't support" in 90% of the situations (Google is your friend) it is not rape/incest or whatever other sad thing you want to use to justify. It's sex. If you're not sure about that, Amazon probably has books on "The birds and the bees". Shouldn't be hard to find.

So sounds to me this is more about punishment for recreational sex than it is about sanctity of life to you. I have no argument for that kind of nonsense.

Your pontificating about the morality of sex out of wedlock and divorce is straight out of 1850 bro.

 

[rhombus]

You had anti-abortionist extremists wanting a complete repeal of Roe, and you had pro-abortionist extremists wanting partial birth abortion legalized country-wide and trying to "normalize men being pregnant."

The problem is that the anti-abortionist extremists apparently make up 5/9ths of the Supreme Court. Extremism on the right is becoming mainstream if it isn’t already. How many ‘pro-abortionist extremists’ sit on the Supreme Court? How many pro-abortionist extremists even hold positions of power in our government? Genuinely curious

 

[Mr.Tickles]

The only group people on earth that want to ban abortion are evangelical Christians. Why are we living under Christian law?

I figured you were of the opinion that misinformation was a bad thing.

 

[Uglytaco]

The problem is that the anti-abortionist extremists apparently make up 5/9ths of the Supreme Court. Extremism on the right is becoming mainstream if it isn’t already. How many ‘pro-abortionist extremists’ sit on the Supreme Court? How many pro-abortionist extremists even hold positions of power in our government? Genuinely curious

 

[Homsar]

The problem is that the anti-abortionist extremists apparently make up 5/9ths of the Supreme Court.

That’s what my post said, thanks for repeating it, I guess?

Extremism on the right is becoming mainstream if it isn’t already.

That’s also what my post said, but it’s laughable if you don’t think the left isn’t extremist.

How many ‘pro-abortionist extremists’ sit on the Supreme Court?

We’ll have to read the dissents to see how far they would go.

How many pro-abortionist extremists even hold positions of power in our government? Genuinely curious

This happened barely a year and a few months ago. A bill banning abortion after 20 weeks (the 2nd trimester) was voted against by Democrat senators.

538 just released some poll aggregates showing that only 26% of the public support abortion during the 2nd trimester.

I’d call siding with only 26% of the public extremist, wouldn’t you?

 

[Sally...ThatGirl]

That’s what my post said, thanks for repeating it, I guess?



That’s also what my post said, but it’s laughable if you don’t think the left isn’t extremist.


We’ll have to read the dissents to see how far they would go.



This happened barely a year and a few months ago. A bill banning abortion after 20 weeks (the 2nd trimester) was voted against by Democrat senators.

538 just released some poll aggregates showing that only 26% of the public support abortion during the 2nd trimester.

I’d call siding with only 26% of the public extremist, wouldn’t you?

There you go using logic and explaining things clearly for those who don’t like to face the facts and can’t look at things objectively. You are trying to explain things to people who don’t seem to think that allowing 5 months (20 weeks) for people to make up their mind is reasonable.

 

[32andBelow]

I figured you were of the opinion that misinformation was a bad thing.

What part is misinformation

 

[rhombus]

538 just released some poll aggregates showing that only 26% of the public support abortion during the 2nd trimester.

I’d call siding with only 26% of the public extremist, wouldn’t you?

Considering that Roe allows abortion up the last week few weeks of the second trimester I would not call that an extremist view. I mean, fuck, even Mississippi’s new law that Challenges Roe allows abortion for a couple weeks into the second trimester

 

[Homsar]

Considering that Roe allows abortion up the last week few weeks of the second trimester I would not call that an extremist view.

Times change, and it seems people have a more restrictive view of abortion than the guidelines that were put in by Roe. Roe’s guidelines are now beyond what most people want, so those defending it are going against the majority of public opinion. That doesn’t seem like the right path to go down in an election year.

I mean, fuck, even Mississippi’s new law that Challenges Roe allows abortion for a couple weeks into the second trimester

That and the poll results I posted frames better how ridiculously extremist the people against the Mississippi’s law seem to have been attacking it so much. Even most of Europe, which the Left often paints as the perfect utopia, have more restrictive timeframes than Roe provides.

Again, the extremists have taken control of both sides and aren’t listening to the people.

 

[Mr.Tickles]

What part is misinformation

The entire statement. While evangelical christians certainly hold a higher percentage of people who are against abortion it is not a belief that is exclusive to them in the least bit.

Mormons hold a higher percent of people against abortion than evangelical christians. Catholics are split down the middle. Around 40 percent of Muslims are against it. Even 11 percent of atheists are against abortion.

I know I can keep going but you get the idea.

 

[William_Dell]

The only group people on earth that want to ban abortion are evangelical Christians. Why are we living under Christian law?

Not true.

So sounds to me this is more about punishment for recreational sex than it is about sanctity of life to you. I have no argument for that kind of nonsense.

Your pontificating about the morality of sex out of wedlock and divorce is straight out of 1850 bro.

If you drive drunk and get a dui, you deal with it. It's called a consequence. If you have sex and get pregnant, you get a child. That's how it works. I've got more examples if you'd like.

Now that I have convinced the internet that my opinion is the correct one, you're welcome btw, how about these hockey playoffs? I've personally enjoyed them more than the NBA. Thoughts?

 

[Mike Kilo]

Now that I have convinced the internet that my opinion is the correct one, you're welcome btw, how about these hockey playoffs? I've personally enjoyed them more than the NBA. Thoughts?

Well, it’s the NBA. What’s not to enjoy more? Maybe WNBA…