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[AB19]

Like do you guys unironically think that people who aren't as intelligent as others just don't deserve a bare minimum comfort life style or should we just confine them to living at home until they decide to be more intelligent?

That's a big reason why we need to start working on fixes for the problems posed by AI/capitalism now in my opinion, because, ya shit ain't gonna get better on that front.

Those fixes involve a social safety net and making sure everyone has enough before we make sure the super rich have more.

That's why UBI needs to be a thing, because society will move past working, and the few in control of production will have everything elsewise

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Like do you guys unironically think that people who aren't as intelligent as others just don't deserve a bare minimum comfort life style or should we just confine them to living at home until they decide to be more intelligent?

I think we should hunt them for sport.

Like I get to hunt trailer trash.

Doctors and lawyers get to hunt me.

Bezos gets to hunt the lawyers.

Its like the circle of life, but different.

 

[AB19]

I think we should hunt them for sport.

Like I get to hunt trailer trash.

Doctors and lawyers get to hunt me.

Bezos gets to hunt the lawyers.

Its like the circle of life, but different.

I really don't understand sucking off someone who will never care about you, and the only way you'd be a fraction of their equal is winning the lottery, you'll never be the next billionaire, I promise

 

[Peter Gibbons]

That's why UBI needs to be a thing, because society will move past working, and the few in control of production will have everything elsewise

No arguments from me. Think the divide is bad now, wait till there is no middle class at all, you are either a beggar or a billionaire.

 

[AB19]

Jesus christ though, I'm glad some people on here aren't all fuck the poor people because I got lucky and got this sweet job. People really have zero consideration for someone with different life circumstances and it's crazy. Wanting other people to have a better life is communist. Society will never advance fast with people that think like this

No arguments from me. Think the divide is bad now, wait till there is no middle class at all, you are either a beggar or a billionaire.

Serfdom 2 Electric Boogaloo

 

[Peter Gibbons]

I really don't understand sucking off someone who will never care about you, and the only way you'd be a fraction of their equal is winning the lottery, you'll never be the next billionaire, I promise

This was totally in jest in case you missed that....

Besides I'd kill bezos with a blunt stick. That dude strikes me as a huge panzy.

 

[AB19]

This was totally in jest in case you missed that....

Besides I'd kill bezos with a blunt stick. That dude strikes me as a huge panzy.

No no I know, and idk he reminds me of the one actor thats the bald dick in that music movie

 

[Shikaka]

Poverty is a cycle that's extremely difficult to break.
Education is of government interest and should be funded or cost controlled.
Poverty is subsidized, it's got almost no motivators to succeed once you get benefits.
Mega/Too-Big-To-Fail companies are the downfall of society.
Predatory practices such as overdraft fees, additional charges, even an extra $.35 to pay with a credit card cripple those with barely enough.

Individual outcome should be individual responsibility, but hard to critique the poor when they're given no motivator, siphoned of there money, offered horrible education, limited by local resources if they can't move, limited by absurd educational requirements, then limited by absurd educational costs.

...let's start over...

Oh and...

 

[AB19]

Poverty is a cycle that's extremely difficult to break.
Education is of government interest and should be funded or cost controlled.
Poverty is subsidized, it's got almost no motivators to succeed once you get benefits.
Mega/Too-Big-To-Fail companies are the downfall of society.
Predatory practices such as overdraft fees, additional charges, even an extra $.35 to pay with a credit card cripple those with barely enough.

Individual outcome should be individual responsibility, but hard to critique the poor when they're given no motivator, siphoned of there money, offered horrible education, limited by local resources if they can't move, limited by absurd educational requirements, then limited by absurd educational costs.

...let's start over...

Agreed to everything for the most part

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Jesus christ though, I'm glad some people on here aren't all fuck the poor people because I got lucky and got this sweet job. People really have zero consideration for someone with different life circumstances and it's crazy. Wanting other people to have a better life is communist. Society will never advance fast with people that think like this

I want people to have better lives, but you and I have different methods to reach that goal. I don’t think companies should be forced by the government to pay people more than what their skills are worth to the company. It’s really that simple. You and I are 1 of ~14,000 people in the United States with the qualifications to do our jobs and we are compensated accordingly. There are probably close to 100 million Americans with the skills required to be Cooks at fast food restaurants and they are compensated that way as well.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

No no I know, and idk he reminds me of the one actor thats the bald dick in that music movie

I always think of the pics of bezos before he got mega rich and just laugh and laugh. Like you can tell the money turned him into a super douche, but inside I'm sure he's still just a sad mediocre human being.

 

[Shikaka]

I want people to have better lives, but you and I have different methods to reach that goal. I don’t think companies should be forced by the government to pay people more than what they’re skills are worth to the company. It’s really that simple. You and I are 1 of ~14,000 people in the United States with the qualifications to do our jobs and we are compensated accordingly. There are probably close to 100 million Americans with the skills required to be Cooks at fast food restaurants and they are compensated that way as well.

That number is higher is it's cooking at a Waffle House...

 

[32andBelow]

I want people to have better lives, but you and I have different methods to reach that goal. I don’t think companies should be forced by the government to pay people more than what they’re skills are worth to the company. It’s really that simple. You and I are 1 of ~14,000 people in the United States with the qualifications to do our jobs and we are compensated accordingly. There are probably close to 100 million Americans with the skills required to be Cooks at fast food restaurants and they are compensated that way as well.

The skill off cooking hamburgers isn’t worth a lot to the company that makes hamburgers? Are you fugging kidding me?

 

[Acquired Taste]

No the government literally can set prices, which they do, and why there is minimum wage, it is their job to look after their people. Unless your saying that the minimum wage should be zero dollars because the government shouldn't decide that?

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Now here goes the part where you say "Oh but then companies will just exploit people and only pay them $1/hr." To which I would then respond, no one would work for $1 an hour, everyone would quit and find whatever job best suits them in terms of compensation. Labor is a valuable commodity that employers compete over too. They have to be able to offer enough so their workers are happy and don't quit and go work for the competition. However, you can't legislate higher wages. Businesses can't magically just pay more for labor than it's worth or they go out of business. If someone provides $12 per hour of production value to a company and the company compensates them $11 per hour, then it makes sense to employ them because the company gains value from employing said person. But if the government then raises the minimum wage to $15/hr, it no longer makes sense to employ them because the company would lose $3 and hour to employ them. Business owners are people too. They have to take all the risk, cover all the overhead, provide all the tools/equipment for you to do your job, comply with all the gov regulations and bullshit, and then at the end of it all they only make a profit if the business is successful. If the business has a bad month and your the employee, doesn't matter because you still get paid your wages but if your the employer, you have to eat the loss or maybe adjust your budget that month. Government interference in markets always does more harm than good because no one person actually knows what the price of labor should be and prices are fluid. It truly is supply and demand. Prices too high, demand is weakened and supply increases and vice versa with prices set too low. If anyone is unhappy at their jobs, their is nothing stopping them from quitting and getting a better one or better yet, going in to business for themselves. There is a reason they haven't quit yet and that's because their job current job is the best one they could get and that holds true whether you like it or not. Sorry about your feelings homie.

Why? Thé AGA in MAGA i assume refers to the time where you could go to college on minimum wage which adjusted for inflation would be like 25 an hour. So please explain.

We've already been over this as to why college is so expensive. The government got involved. Also, way to dodge the other question. Why not go in to business yourself and pay everyone $20 an hour? Seriously, if it's so fucking easy, go ahead show me how it's done.

 

[AB19]

I want people to have better lives, but you and I have different methods to reach that goal. I don’t think companies should be forced by the government to pay people more than what they’re skills are worth to the company. It’s really that simple. You and I are 1 of ~14,000 people in the United States with the qualifications to do our jobs and we are compensated accordingly. There are probably close to 100 million Americans with the skills required to be Cooks at fast food restaurants and they are compensated that way as well.

But the same thing already exists in other countries, I think our citizens are more important than more, not negative, profits of some corp. People deserve better lives, no one wants to be a McDonalds cook, people don't aspire to be that. We shouldn't trap them with poverty because its their only opportunity. I know people don't like higher taxes, but McDonalds and others already exist in high tax countries. It's the least we can do

 

[Peter Gibbons]

I want people to have better lives, but you and I have different methods to reach that goal. I don’t think companies should be forced by the government to pay people more than what they’re skills are worth to the company. It’s really that simple. You and I are 1 of ~14,000 people in the United States with the qualifications to do our jobs and we are compensated accordingly. There are probably close to 100 million Americans with the skills required to be Cooks at fast food restaurants and they are compensated that way as well.

Don't use this job as an example.

We aren't special, and neither is this job. I know I'm not some mega mind. It's not like something out of a beautiful mind going on in my head when I'm working.

Cut that bullshit. There's probably plenty of fry cooks and forklift drivers who could do this job same as you and me if given the opportunity.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

The skill off cooking hamburgers isn’t worth a lot to the company that makes hamburgers? Are you fugging kidding me?

You have to be trolling, drunk, stupid, or all three to do that kind of mental gymnastics and come to that conclusion. Cooking hamburgers isn’t a difficult thing to do. If it was as difficult as rocket science, took a 4 year degree, an understanding of advanced physics and calculus to do maybe they’d pay more?

 

[AB19]

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Now here goes the part where you say "Oh but then companies will just exploit people and only pay them $1/hr." To which I would then respond, no one would work for $1 an hour, everyone would quit and find whatever job best suits them in terms of compensation. Labor is a valuable commodity that employers compete over too. They have to be able to offer enough so their workers are happy and don't quit and go work for the competition. However, you can't legislate higher wages. Businesses can't magically just pay more for labor than it's worth or they go out of business. If someone provides $12 per hour of production value to a company and the company compensates them $11 per hour, then it makes sense to employ them because the company gains value from employing said person. But if the government then raises the minimum wage to $15/hr, it no longer makes sense to employ them because the company would lose $3 and hour to employ them. Business owners are people too. They have to take all the risk, cover all the overhead, provide all the tools/equipment for you to do your job, comply with all the gov regulations and bullshit, and then at the end of it all they only make a profit if the business is successful. If the business has a bad month and your the employee, doesn't matter because you still get paid your wages but if your the employer, you have to eat the loss or maybe adjust your budget that month. Government interference in markets always does more harm than good because no one person actually knows what the price of labor should be and prices are fluid. It truly is supply and demand. Prices too high, demand is weakened and supply increases and vice versa with prices set too low. If anyone is unhappy at their jobs, their is nothing stopping them from quitting and getting a better one or better yet, going in to business for themselves. There is a reason they haven't quit yet and that's because their job current job is the best one they could get and that holds true whether you like it or not. Sorry about your feelings homie.

We've already been over this as to why college is so expensive. The government got involved. Also, way to dodge the other question. Why not go in to business yourself and pay everyone $20 an hour? Seriously, if it's so fucking easy, go ahead show me how it's done.

Going off your first point, when robots are cheaper than workers then what? Like all these minimum wages are pointless once we don't need human labor. Besides people overseas work for pennies, so people will absolutely work for that little if they have to? The all mighty economy is not what needs to be worried about, the world will not enter economic collapse because people get paid properly.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Don't use this job as an example.

We aren't special, and neither is this job. I know I'm not some mega mind. It's not like something out of a beautiful mind going on in my head when I'm working.

Cut that bullshit. There's probably plenty of fry cooks and forklift drivers who could do this job same as you and me if given the opportunity.

As a whole, I would say air traffic controllers have a higher aptitude than the average American in the workforce. That’s totally based on anecdotal evidence since I have no data to support that claim. But my point was pay comes down to scarcity of qualified applicants. There are less aerospace engineers than grocery store workers because you need more education and skills. Therefore, they get paid more.

 

[grackfields420]

i was seeing a single mom that dropped out of college and then went to a job corps (free lodging, food, training) and got licensed to be an LVN and was making $22/h after 9 months

we broke it off once she started wanting to get really serious lol but the point is she was a go getter

also here's a story of faye lewis that outlines her "career trajectory as she pursued her nursing degree—a challenging progression that involved juggling two jobs, school, and raising a child, leaving her with almost no time for a social life." This nurse shared her journey from KFC to RN—and it went viral

I'm not saying some poor people don't have a raw deal out there but how many are content with mediocrity (which is fine) rather than busting their ass ?

edit: I'm also not saying that busting your ass means guaranteed success, because it doesn't. but it does increase your chances relative to someone who is not