The woeful unpreparedness of Management

[fknlo]

Time to figure out if I can get pregnant. I saw a movie where they did it, it might be possible.

 

[GulfCharlie]

Brothers and Sisters,

In response to the changing landscape associated with the COVID-19 national emergency, the following is updated guidance related to the release of non-essential employees:

The following guidance is effective immediately:

In consultation with NATCA, the Agency has determined that for the duration of the COVID-19 national emergency, the following employees in FAA air traffic control facilities are deemed non-essential and will be placed on excused absence:

· Tower: employees not certified on local or ground control.

· Tower/Approach (Up/Down): employees not certified on the above referenced positions in either the Tower or the Approach Control.

· Approach Control: employees not certified on a radar position.

· En Route: employees not certified on any radar (R-side) position.

All facilities: Employees that are performing approved Article 45 duties as of March 19, 2020, shall be deemed as non-essential and will be placed on excused absence. For clarification, an individual currently performing Article 45 duties as a result of a 3-day disqualifying medication would be released on excused absence for the duration of the 3-day incapacitation. Incapacitated employees that are currently on leave and not performing Article 45 duties would remain in their current leave status until able to return to duty. Requests for Article 45 duties from employees that become incapacitated after March 19, 2020, will be handled in accordance with the CBA.

Consistent with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines for people at risk for severe illness; the Agency has determined that it will approve requests for excused absence for non-telework eligible pregnant employees working in Air Traffic Facilities.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has identified people who have serious underlying medical conditions such as heart disease, diabetes, lung disease, HIV, and asthma as being higher risk for more serious complications from COVID-19 or a higher risk for severe illness. In consultation with NATCA, the Agency has determined that it will approve requests for excused absence for the duration of the COVID-19 national emergency for employees working in Air Traffic facilities with a previously reported qualifying medical condition that meets the identified CDC criteria for higher risk for severe illness.

In order to be approved for excused absence, employees who hold a medical certificate must self-report to the air traffic manager (ATM) that they have been diagnosed with one of the qualifying conditions. Employees shall not be required to disclose their medical diagnosis/status to the ATM, only that one of the covered medical conditions applies.

The ATM will provide a list of self-reported employees to the applicable regional flight surgeon (RFS) for verification. Employees who have not previously reported a qualifying medical condition will be contacted by the RFS for follow-up discussion. Employees who incorrectly report such a condition and who have been placed on excused absence will have the absence converted to annual leave for the covered period and will be recalled to duty.

All employees approved for excused absence are subject to recall during the period they are on excused absence.

Reminder: Employees who falsely report a medical condition in order to be excused from duty may be subject to disciplinary action, up to and including removal from federal service. If an employee previously falsified, concealed, or covered up a material fact related to their medical certification or who made any false, fictitious, or fraudulent statements, or representations, or entry, they may be fined up to $250,000 or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both (Title 18 U.S. Code. Secs. 1001; 3571) in addition to being subject to disciplinary action, up to and including removal from federal service.

In solidarity,

NATCA National Executive Board

 

[PushingTin]

What they did was literally almost nothing. It will make a dent in centers by getting rid of D side only's but at every tower and up down MOST trainees have a control position. Many facilities this literally will not allow ANY additional people off. This is bullshit. Be prepared to be packed in like sardines with every CPC during a motherfukcing PANDEMIC

 

[CaptainObvious]

Time to figure out if I can get pregnant. I saw a movie where they did it, it might be possible.

It’s funny, they mention pregnant employees, but not employees who have a spouse that’s pregnant. Unacceptable to work in the building if you’re pregnant. Acceptable risk for you to work in this viral hotbed and bring it home to your pregnant spouse ?

Same thing with the “at risk” people allowed to leave.

 

[Palmetto]

Question: If you're at an updown and you're just certified on ground control do you get sent home or are you required to be at the facility still? Just a little confused from reading the guidance.

 

[PushingTin]

Question: If you're at an updown and you're just certified on ground control do you get sent home or are you required to be at the facility still? Just a little confused from reading the guidance.

it specifically mentions Ground control. "employees NOT certified in one of the above referenced positions". Ground IS referenced. So you have to come in. This is why its a JOKE. almost every up down most trainees are certified on at least ground.

 

[Cmsgthokage]

Time to figure out if I can get pregnant. I saw a movie where they did it, it might be possible.

After getting fucked so much it actually might happen. ?

 

[BrocolliRob]

It’s funny, they mention pregnant employees, but not employees who have a spouse that’s pregnant. Unacceptable to work in the building if you’re pregnant. Acceptable risk for you to work in this viral hotbed and bring it home to your pregnant spouse ?

Same thing with the “at risk” people allowed to leave.

Yeah, I’ve got a pregnant wife who’s already working from home. I’m not necessarily concerned given the research on pregnancy regarding the virus. But the logic that pregnant controllers can stay home and controllers with pregnant spouses can’t is laughable. Par for the course, I suppose.

 

[PushingTin]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL @ THIS

"Reminder: Employees who falsely report a medical condition in order to be excused from duty may be subject to disciplinary action, up to and including removal from federal service. If an employee previously falsified, concealed, or covered up a material fact related to their medical certification or who made any false, fictitious, or fraudulent statements, or representations, or entry, they may be fined up to $250,000 or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both (Title 18 U.S. Code. Secs. 1001; 3571) in addition to being subject to disciplinary action, up to and including removal from federal service."

And dont remove the tags from your mattress!!! Or Jaywalk!! Or stare too close to the tv, your eyes will STAY THAT WAY. According to Grandma. /but now shes going to die of Covid19.

 

[CaptainObvious]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL @ THIS

"Reminder: Employees who falsely report a medical condition in order to be excused from duty may be subject to disciplinary action, up to and including removal from federal service. If an employee previously falsified, concealed, or covered up a material fact related to their medical certification or who made any false, fictitious, or fraudulent statements, or representations, or entry, they may be fined up to $250,000 or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both (Title 18 U.S. Code. Secs. 1001; 3571) in addition to being subject to disciplinary action, up to and including removal from federal service."

And dont remove the tags from your mattress!!! Or Jaywalk!! Or stare too close to the tv, your eyes will STAY THAT WAY. According to Grandma. /but now shes going to die of Covid19.

At this rate yeah. They told us that we may be going to skeleton crews and they’d announce Monday. This is far from a skeleton crew

 

[Super Salt]

Time to start eating that expired DayQuil.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

The ONLY reason there aren't more facilities on the list of testing positive is because so many cannot even get tested. The FAA is way behind the power curve on this and it's likely already too late for many facilities.

 

[CaptainObvious]

The ONLY reason there aren't more facilities on the list of testing positive is because so many cannot even get tested. The FAA is way behind the power curve on this and it's likely already too late for many facilities.

It is too late. I can almost guarantee that it’s in every facility and been spread to others.

 

[Whiskers301]

 

[Roger_Roger]

Time to figure out if I can get pregnant. I saw a movie where they did it, it might be possible.

Junior with arnold Schwarzenegger

 

[CaptainObvious]

So actual serious question...
I had severe asthma as a child, up until mid teenage years, that required multiple hospitalizations, multiple times each year. I had to check the “have you ever in your life experienced this” box on my flight surgeon paperwork. I haven’t had an asthma attack needing hospitalization in roughly 15 years, but I still am required to check the box on each physical. Are they telling me to stay home because I had it before or go in because I haven’t had this issue in roughly 15 years?

If I were you I wouldn’t

 

[PushingTin]

So actual serious question...
I had severe asthma as a child, up until mid teenage years, that required multiple hospitalizations, multiple times each year. I had to check the “have you ever in your life experienced this” box on my flight surgeon paperwork. I haven’t had an asthma attack needing hospitalization in roughly 15 years, but I still am required to check the box on each physical. Are they telling me to stay home because I had it before or go in because I haven’t had this issue in roughly 15 years?

dont worry: SAFETY WAS NEVER COMPROMISED. Just yours. The line controllers are bottom dwellers. Now we are getting our just desserts. Let them eat Pandemic Cake.

 

[Lemonhead]

Fuuuuuuuck. My guess of all trainees this morn was waaaaaay off.

 

[GulfCharlie]

dont worry: SAFETY WAS NEVER COMPROMISED. Just yours. The line controllers are bottom dwellers. Now we are getting our just desserts. Let them eat Pandemic Cake.

“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated.”

 

[Bandit117]

Lol didn't even change for my facility.

Tower: employees not certified on local or ground.

Up/down: employees not certified on positions referenced for tower or approach

Approach: employees not certified on a radar position

Center: employees not certified on any R-sides

Plus a list of pre-diagnosed conditions that you have to self report to your ATM who will verify with the flight surgeon

The way I read it, at a up/down if you don’t have local and a radar scope you’re excused?