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mnsalty

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I'd probably walk away from the job if offered that list

OP- don’t walk away from the job. The list sucks, but honestly go somewhere with lots of staffing that has good numbers on the NCEPT page. Some of those places you’ll never get out of. With COVID, nowhere is a “fast checkout” - so go somewhere you’re kosher living for 5+ years.

Come to Duluth! We would love to have you.

except the salty controller there
 

corn4ahead

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you missed my point. There is no training to be had - so how can they be a quick checkout ? In this day in age, go somewhere you’re willing to spend your whole career. If they ever even get to train which at this point I doubt.
Went right over my head. Lol

We all know this is temporary though. So let’s not get into doomsday scenarios.
 

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I’d pick Duluth from that list but I have family in MN so I’m skewed. You’re not too far from the twin cities and summer/fall there is really nice. And I’ll bet mnsalty aint so bad in real life.
 

Ad1234

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This thread is why facilities should contract. Look at everyone saying how bad they are for whatever reason they say it: training, location, career movement feasibility etc. If people don’t want to go to these facilities right at the outset and will have a legitimate problem staying at them for a lengthy amount of time even though they say they would because they will work anywhere. save the tax payer money and let the contract underpay people at these facilities, which many of them are not that busy. And for the very small percentage of the workforce willing to go to those places and stay there, unfortunately your voice will get drowned out by the much larger percentage of people willing to go else where or make big $$$ at other larger facilities then retire in those other places and go home after their 25 year career.
 

Mike Kilo

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This thread is why facilities should contract. Look at everyone saying how bad they are for whatever reason they say it: training, location, career movement feasibility etc. If people don’t want to go to these facilities right at the outset and will have a legitimate problem staying at them for a lengthy amount of time even though they say they would because they will work anywhere. save the tax payer money and let the contract underpay people at these facilities, which many of them are not that busy. And for the very small percentage of the workforce willing to go to those places and stay there, unfortunately your voice will get drowned out by the much larger percentage of people willing to go else where or make big $$$ at other larger facilities then retire in those other places and go home after their 25 year career.
Sure! Have the class vote when they first show up. If you vote yes to contracting the 6 and below facilities the bottom half of the class is terminated. If you vote no you get this list.
Pretty sure I know how that vote is going.....and don’t tell me the FAA will hire the same amount of controllers.
 

Ad1234

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Sure! Have the class vote when they first show up. If you vote yes to contracting the 6 and below facilities the bottom half of the class is terminated. If you vote no you get this list.
Pretty sure I know how that vote is going.....and don’t tell me the FAA will hire the same amount of controllers.

many of the people on this thread are currently in the field though and shows even after being placed they don’t want to go to places because they know even more info than they did previously.
Also, if you have less facilities to send people to of course you’ll hire less people, but why doesn’t that concern us, who are already in the field? Would they not hire the amount of people they need? They already hire the amount of people they need.
 

Mike Kilo

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many of the people on this thread are currently in the field though and shows even after being placed they don’t want to go to places because they know even more info than they did previously.
Also, if you have less facilities to send people to of course you’ll hire less people, but why doesn’t that concern us, who are already in the field? Would they not hire the amount of people they need? They already hire the amount of people they need.
They do not hire the amount of people they need lol. We have a controller shortage. So no, the faa would cut hiring way back citing all the closed facility movement instead. What happens to those people when they wash? I guess fuck em because you think their facility is pointless. Who cares if they have 15 years of service. I would still take any job posting to get in the FAA. Worst case after eight years you can start throwing around the preferential consideration BS and try for Guam with rights anywhere with a vacancy.
 

Termine

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They already hire the amount of people they need.
They already hire less than the amount of people they need... hasn't that been the union's line since 2011 or so? And it seems to be playing out, with the current staffing average at only 81% and the projected average when everyone gets trained is 92%. You would hope the projected number would be significantly north of 100% to account for future retirements.

I get that contracting out is conceptually antithesis to a labor union, and I understand that expecting the FAA to do the common-sense thing is a fool's errand. But looking at it now, we have two problems: 1) there are a bunch of undesirable low-level towers in undesirable BFE towns that FAA controllers don't want to work in, and 2) there aren't enough FAA controllers to staff up all the facilities. Contracting out the lower levels could help with both. Could.
 

JNev

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Whichever has the best staffing and is not located in Fairbanks, AK. My old CTI roommate went there previous experience (and certified) but was stuck there for 5 years with ERRs to every facility in the continental US. When I was at the academy they had someone from FAI come to try to get us to go there (probably a reason for that don’t you think?) Nothing against people who want to be there, but you’d probably already know if you wanted to
 

Ad1234

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They already hire less than the amount of people they need... hasn't that been the union's line since 2011 or so? And it seems to be playing out, with the current staffing average at only 81% and the projected average when everyone gets trained is 92%. You would hope the projected number would be significantly north of 100% to account for future retirements.

I get that contracting out is conceptually antithesis to a labor union, and I understand that expecting the FAA to do the common-sense thing is a fool's errand. But looking at it now, we have two problems: 1) there are a bunch of undesirable low-level towers in undesirable BFE towns that FAA controllers don't want to work in, and 2) there aren't enough FAA controllers to staff up all the facilities. Contracting out the lower levels could help with both. Could.

I get not everyone is a successful trainee, and many of the current trainees are cpc-its, numbers alone state there are enough employed to meet the staffing needs. Current trainees plus certified is more than than the staffing numbers of every facility. hiring more only adds more trainees to a backlogged system that isn’t very good at training. But we all think we have a controller shortage.
In my opinion this is why many people hate the ncept because they don’t give a crap what the staffing is like at the place they are trying to leave nor should they. But both natca and the faa have a vested interest in keeping staffing at every facility at a sustainable level. But unfortunately the workforce is full of shit trainers to not keep up with the staffing needs and the faa does a shit job managing the training programs allowing miserable success rates at some and toxic cultures to continue for years on end.
 
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