Hiring Bid FAA-ATO-20-ALLSRCE-65607

[32andBelow]

My understanding of enroute is you're not really working multiple airports, you're working at a center.

Ie: ARTCC, an air route traffic control center, typically handles instrument traffic at the flight levels (18k ft and up for most commercial traffic, albeit occasionally below). Traffic may literally just be passing through your Flight Information Region, and not landing, albeit they could be landing. If they are, you typically would hand off to a terminal facility.

Area control center - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

This is from what I know from being a pilot already, not from working this job, please correct me if I'm wrong current ATCSes. ?

En route works airports that don’t have towers. Also they sequence intro TRACONs

 

[SkyPapi]

Do you all want en route or terminal?

En route > certify at desirable facility > ERR to NCT. I may be getting a little ahead of myself here.

Mine is checked off for 86.

Given I'm working through this stuff now I believe I am in the same TOL batch as you.

My POC sent me my e-QIP and changed it to SF-86, so greetings fellow future en route controller. I think we're all on the same-ish boat here. With any luck at all we'll be able to put faces to names by this time next year ?.

I just want to quit my current Job. Please, I just want a start date. For the love of God, and all that is holy. Terminal? en route? Oakland? New York? I don't care. Just want out of my current job.

I feel this energy. I'd happily drop dead from a stress-induced aneurysm at N90 if it meant never having to look at a spreadsheet again.

 

[Jsybird2532]

En route works airports that don’t have towers. Also they sequence intro TRACONs

Well the TRACON thing I knew, but I don't think it counts as working airports as TRACON deals with that. I also haven't started working on an instrument rating yet, so I wouldn't know the first part ?.

So centers really sometimes handle traffic going into class E/G airports with a CTAF/instrument approach (and don't hand off to the local TRACON all the time)?

 

[32andBelow]

Well the TRACON thing I knew, but I don't think it counts as working airports as TRACON deals with that. I also haven't started working on an instrument rating yet, so I wouldn't know the first part ?.

So centers really sometimes handle traffic going into class E/G airports with a CTAF/instrument approach (and don't hand off to the local TRACON all the time)?

There’s lots of airports that aren’t in a terminal area airspace.

 

[Jsybird2532]

There’s lots of airports that aren’t in a terminal area airspace.

Center if no approach/departure control in the airspace.

That makes sense ?.

 

[32andBelow]

Center if no approach/departure control in the airspace.

That makes sense ?.

Which out west could mean your working approaches into lots of airports simultaneously. Back East, not so much.

 

[Termine]

So centers really sometimes handle traffic going into class E/G airports with a CTAF/instrument approach (and don't hand off to the local TRACON all the time)?

And some Class D airports too, e.g. JAC doesn't have an overlying TRACON so ZLC is the radar approach control. And there doesn't have to be an instrument approach at the airport in order to provide services to an IFR arrival there. And VFR flight following is a thing as well.

 

[Jsybird2532]

My POC sent me my e-QIP and changed it to SF-86, so greetings fellow future en route controller. I think we're all on the same-ish boat here. With any luck at all we'll be able to put faces to names by this time next year ?.

Not so fast.

Still deciding if I want to proceed.

I've been doing some additional research this week and I'm now trying to figure out right now for instance if dealing with tier 2 or a special consideration on my ATC medical can affect my future eligibility for basicmed as a pilot if deferral nonsense happens. Fighting for my original medical in the first place to fly (class 2) was a fight already in and of itself. I don't want to wake the bear and have trouble flying for fun.

Anyone know the deets on that?

 

[Roo617]

Do you all want en route or terminal?

Tower( up/down)——> tracon

 

[32andBelow]

Not so fast.

Still deciding if I want to proceed.

I've been doing some additional research this week and I'm now trying to figure out right now for instance if dealing with tier 2 or a special consideration on my ATC medical can affect my future eligibility for basicmed as a pilot if deferral nonsense happens. Fighting for my original medical in the first place to fly (class 2) was a fight already in and of itself. I don't want to wake the bear and have trouble flying for fun.

Anyone know the deets on that?

I dunno but atc medical is basically class 2 so you’ll probably have to prove whatever you has to prove last time

 

[AntiochX]

See that the new FAA classes dropped, emailed my hr rep to check in, automatic reply they are out sick for a few weeks RIGHT when classes drop lmao. ?

 

[MalIvo831]

See that the new FAA classes dropped, emailed my hr rep to check in, automatic reply they are out sick for a few weeks RIGHT when classes drop lmao. ?

Where do you see that they dropped? I click on the link posted and I still see the dates

 

[SkyPapi]

Not so fast.

Still deciding if I want to proceed.

I've been doing some additional research this week and I'm now trying to figure out right now for instance if dealing with tier 2 or a special consideration on my ATC medical can affect my future eligibility for basicmed as a pilot if deferral nonsense happens. Fighting for my original medical in the first place to fly (class 2) was a fight already in and of itself. I don't want to wake the bear and have trouble flying for fun.

Anyone know the deets on that?

I feel that. I will almost assuredly have to appeal the vision requirement due to amblyopia in my right eye. I don't see why a separate ATC medical assessment would affect your pilot certification but that's probably a better question for the AME.

 

[ZH25]

We got class dates!

En Route

FAA Catalog of Training

www.academy.jccbi.gov

Terminal

FAA Catalog of Training

www.academy.jccbi.gov

Here's to hoping I am in one of those down the line, and inevitably getting my hopes crushed.

 

[hickey]

Cus it can actually be really fun working a bunch of airports at the same time. And you make like twice as much as a low level terminal

Is one considered more hectic? Or one easier to grasp than the other?

 

[SkyPapi]

Is one considered more hectic? Or one easier to grasp than the other?

I think that will depend on the controller and the facility. A terminal academy grad will almost always be assigned to a lower level ( <8 ) tower/up-down, where it should be easier to certify compared with a typical center. Working a higher level terminal position like ground at LAX is probably as difficult/hectic as any in the agency.

 

[Alfa Mike]

Does anyone else want terminal mainly because the towers have open windows and I can actually see the planes & departures/arrivals? That's a big draw to this career for me 🙂

 

[robertvmarshall]

Does anyone else want terminal mainly because the towers have open windows and I can actually see the planes & departures/arrivals? That's a big draw to this career for me 🙂

I'm gonna find every silver lining wherever I end up and convince myself that any other option would have been terrible.

 

[32andBelow]

Does anyone else want terminal mainly because the towers have open windows and I can actually see the planes & departures/arrivals? That's a big draw to this career for me 🙂

They want tower cus they know what tower does and they don’t really know that en route does. Everyone wants tower when they apply lol

 

[robertvmarshall]

Hoping next week will be big since those class dates just dropped. Trying to find every reason to keep my hopes up. Even if I don't get a class date, I just want to see that things are moving along.