Shoot The Breeze 3.0

[Homsar]

RETRACTED: Why are we vaccinating children against COVID-19?

This article has been retracted: please see Elsevier Policy on Article Withdrawal (https://www.elsevier.com/about/our-business/policies/article-withdr…

www.sciencedirect.com

Waiting for 32 to make an excuse to ignore a peer-reviewed scientific article in 3…2…

That's like having a peeing section in a pool. Gun control is either all states the same or nothing. Having tough gun control in one city or state means nothing if all a gangbanger needs to do is drive to the state next door to buy what he needs.

This argument is brought up by gun control advocates all the time, but there isn’t much data to support it. This can be illustrated by looking at some studies:

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/221074.pdf

“In most places, the majority of crime guns originate from within the state (e.g., see ATF 2000c). Moreover, national data suggests that nearly half of all crime guns are recovered within 25 miles of where they were purchased (ATF, 2002a: 43-44; Pierce et al., 2004).“

This is an example of trace data from the ATF, in this case Illinois:

https://www.atf.gov/file/147391/download

Slide 7 shows that the vast majority of guns recovered in IL originated in IL, with the next closest origination state being IN, but the differences are not even close (5,782 vs 1,882). The guns originating in other states statistic also doesn’t account for guns on the books that came to IL in legal ways before they were used in crime, such as someone buying a gun from another state and having it sent to a local IL FFL for a legal interstate transfer, or someone moving to IL from another state and bringing their guns with them. This means that one cannot claim that all guns recovered in IL that originated in another state were trafficked, as that’s an assumption not supported by data.

Slide 8 shows the “time to crime” statistic, which is what investigators use to track trafficking, as a time to crime of under 3 years is a strong indicator of trafficking. You can see that while there is indeed a portion of recoveries that take place under 3 years, the vast majority do not, meaning they don’t have a strong indicator of trafficking.

I wish these statistics were brought to light more, because I’m tired of seeing the same old debunked arguments brought up by gun control advocates. There’s so many other things they blatantly lie about too, but that’s for another post.

 

[acutetriangles]

Wait, this forum is all boomers?

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Weird how it's the same group denying both different, though broadly scientific things and saying conspiracy! Do your own research! No big deal!

Also weird how both have the answer staring us in the face and some just refuse to acknowledge it, or do the necessary things to fix it.

Huh. Odd. What's the deal with that?

 

[N90-EWR]

RETRACTED: Why are we vaccinating children against COVID-19?

This article has been retracted: please see Elsevier Policy on Article Withdrawal (https://www.elsevier.com/about/our-business/policies/article-withdr…

www.sciencedirect.com

Waiting for 32 to make an excuse to ignore a peer-reviewed scientific article in 3…2…



This argument is brought up by gun control advocates all the time, but there isn’t much data to support it. This can be illustrated by looking at some studies:

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/221074.pdf

“In most places, the majority of crime guns originate from within the state (e.g., see ATF 2000c). Moreover, national data suggests that nearly half of all crime guns are recovered within 25 miles of where they were purchased (ATF, 2002a: 43-44; Pierce et al., 2004).“

This is an example of trace data from the ATF, in this case Illinois:

https://www.atf.gov/file/147391/download

Slide 7 shows that the vast majority of guns recovered in IL originated in IL, with the next closest origination state being IN, but the differences are not even close (5,782 vs 1,882). The guns originating in other states statistic also doesn’t account for guns on the books that came to IL in legal ways before they were used in crime, such as someone buying a gun from another state and having it sent to a local IL FFL for a legal interstate transfer, or someone moving to IL from another state and bringing their guns with them. This means that one cannot claim that all guns recovered in IL that originated in another state were trafficked, as that’s an assumption not supported by data.

Slide 8 shows the “time to crime” statistic, which is what investigators use to track trafficking, as a time to crime of under 3 years is a strong indicator of trafficking. You can see that while there is indeed a portion of recoveries that take place under 3 years, the vast majority do not, meaning they don’t have a strong indicator of trafficking.

I wish these statistics were brought to light more, because I’m tired of seeing the same old debunked arguments brought up by gun control advocates. There’s so many other things they blatantly lie about too, but that’s for another post.

I'm not a gun control advocate. I'm for responsible gun ownership.

 

[Here We Go Again]

Does anyone know anyone they work with that they are confident will quit/retire rather than get the shot? I work in a tower with like 20 people and there’s one person I think could quit but I’m not sure they will.

It would be stupid to quit, make them fire you

 

[N90-EWR]

It would be stupid to quit, make them fire you

It would be stupid either way!

The regret will hit peak levels in the future, when those that lose their job over this cross their would be retirement dates, and realize what "standing my ground" over this silly bullshit costed them.

 

[32andBelow]

It would be stupid either way!

The regret will hit peak levels in the future, when those that lose their job over this cross their would be retirement dates, and realize what "standing my ground" over this silly bullshit costed them.

Especially when they wind up getting the vaccine like 5 months later to do something else

 

[CF]

It would be stupid to quit, make them fire you

This is actually poor career advice lol. If you resign you can say you made a personal choice but if they fire you it’s basically for insubordination which looks terrible if you’re trying to get a job elsewhere.

 

[BDUB]

Let them all quit and be blacklisted from government. I swear people really don’t understand there’s hundreds of thousands of people that would do anything for our job title and are more than willing to fulfill your spot. And the government surely will not give a crap if you quit lol

I hope this segment of history goes in the book as “When sticking it to the man goes wrong” ?

 

[Homsar]

I'm not a gun control advocate. I'm for responsible gun ownership.

That sounds like doublespeak, and you ignored the rest of my post that debunks your trafficking talking point. What changes do you want as far as background checks?

 

[32andBelow]

Let them all quit and be blacklisted from government. I swear people really don’t understand there’s hundreds of thousands of people that would do anything for our job title and are more than willing to fulfill your spot. And the government surely will not give a crap if you quit lol

99% of these people are just gonna get vaccinated privately and just stop talking about it at work.

 

[Tuco_Benidito]

That sounds like doublespeak, and you ignored the rest of my post that debunks your trafficking talking point. What changes do you want as far as background checks?

Criminals & Killa's don't purchase guns legally.

 

[32andBelow]

Criminals & Killa's don't purchase guns legally.

Why not? You can legally purchase a gun in a parking lot in a lot of places. Did the Vegas shooter not purchase his guns legally?

 

[CF]

Project veritas.

Stopped reading there.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Why not? You can legally purchase a gun in a parking lot in a lot of places. Did the Vegas shooter not purchase his guns legally?

I can buy a car, a case of beer, or a human trafficked house cleaner in a parking lot too, doesn't make it legal.

There's already laws preventing felons from purchasing guns in a parking lot or otherwise, huh criminals break laws. Weird how that works. And if they haven't yet committed a crime, or Check any of the no no boxes on a 4473 (on which providing false info is also a felony mind you), why should they be barred from owning a gun, unless you want guilty by association or pre crime and profiling to be the law of the land?

As far as the Vegas shooter, if you look at interviews of people who knew him, pretty evident dude had some rapidly deteriorating mental health issues that went unchecked. So again, better mental health services. And also again, do you have a minority report psychic in your basement?

Mass shootings are awful, but they are also awfully sensationalized in many cases. By the numbers they make up a negligible amount of aggravated deaths in this country, and stripping our collective rights away because of it isn't the fix. You can't poof! disappear 100 million ar15s off the streets, particularly in the day and age of 3d printers, trying to only hurts your average citizen, not the people who will break the law anyways.

 

[Uglytaco]

Everybody should be paying attention at how the UK & Australia are handling COVID and treating their citizens like absolute garbage. It’s all in the name of “public health”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1440770631671300106

Let them all quit and be blacklisted from government. I swear people really don’t understand there’s hundreds of thousands of people that would do anything for our job title and are more than willing to fulfill your spot. And the government surely will not give a crap if you quit lol

The agency is already hurting for controllers, undermanned towers, people will be over worked in the future. Have fun with that

Project veritas.

Stopped reading there.

PV has been better at reporting than firemen and “fact checkers” (who started before 2004) bullshit. Zamisdat all the waaaaay

 

[32andBelow]

The agency is already hurting for controllers, undermanned towers, people will be over worked in the future. Have fun with that

This mandate will not noticeably change staffing at all

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Everybody should be paying attention at how the UK & Australia are handling COVID and treating their citizens like absolute garbage. It’s all in the name of “public health”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1440770631671300106

Lmao acting like this isn't standard policing here at home is laughable, if you are pissed on behalf of some aussie anti vaxxer you should be equally pissed at the dude who gets murdered at a traffic stop who is your fellow American citizen.

HE SHOULD HAVE COMPLIED!

 

[AB19]

Lmao acting like this isn't standard policing here at home is laughable, if you are pissed on behalf of some aussie anti vaxxer you should be equally pissed at the dude who gets murdered at a traffic stop who is your fellow American citizen.

HE SHOULD HAVE COMPLIED!

People act like them having guns leads to the cops acting any differently as if cops aren’t worse here where people have guns

 

[BDUB]

99% of these people are just gonna get vaccinated privately and just stop talking about it at work.

My guess is somehow they manage to get free days off of work while the rest of us that did the right thing are left in the trenches. The ole FAA special