November (Q1) 2021
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If only we had a legitimate way of communicating this exact problem to the FAA and NATCA ? maybe if you get rehired your only option is right back where you were at. Also mind boggling that someone in military has a 20 facility list of solid places but academy grads get shit hole facilities.
Vets have always had better options than new hires - I don't see this ever changing
Oscar Golf
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That probably is the reason why. Still a mystery wondering that LAS had all the conditions to select there salary cap of 2 people but only got 1? No previous exp or something else slotted in for them
I don’t fully understand why because they’re more qualified? But then we all shit on CTI schools and those people because they aren’t more qualified even though they did 2-4yrs…logic
I didn't go to the academy but from what I've heard it's very similar to the Air Force tech school. So not only do Air Force controllers pass a similar school, they also earn a CTO or worked radar with real planes and across/with FAA facilities so they have shown they can somewhat do the job vs someone off the streets. Though this all varies greatly by base and branch.
Personally I put way more value into contract tower controllers that deal with lots of pattern work as far more valuable than both but that's just me.
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Couldn’t agree more. I just know a lot of military folks that got those 20 facility lists that worked nothing but helicopters in the military. I do agree busy military bases that actually worked airplanes should be given higher priority along with contract guys that come over. But again it’s hard to say that even they deserve higher levels over someone whose put 5yrs in agency at lvl 4 or 5 and can’t get out….
The lists make no sense to me. Most prior military people I know got offered mostly 5, 6, or 7s. I had a couple 8s. Then I hear of some getting offered higher facilities with the same or less experience.
I wish the FAA did local hiring. Get people from the area that want to be there rather than moving people all over the country that are going to bid out the second they can.
I agree completely. Only downfall is everyone’s money hungry in our world and won’t be happy staying at lvl 5 even if it’s home. That said I’d literally kill to be at a lvl 5 by home rather than half way across the country. Wouldn’t hear a single complaint about pay either ?
I think there are more like you than you think.
Cheese6432
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I don’t believe these are “new hires,” but instead “CPC-reenstatements.” From another perspective, What if they put in their CPC-reinstatement paperwork before you put in your ERR? According to the CBA, wouldn’t they have priority? Like someone else has said, don’t hate the player
Mike Kilo
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To me we should always prioritize employees of the FAA over new hires of any sort. I don’t think we put enough emphasis on time in the agency and time stuck at a facility. Even the people who quit and try to reinstatement should fall behind people who stayed in trying to love (of course that’s why they quit) I will agree it’s fine to offer the prior exp of any type a decent list over a CTI or OTS like myself though. It would make more sense to send prior exp people to facilities with lower certification rates though.
I think the FAA is obligated legally to give veterans preferential hiring? Maybe the huge lists of great facilities is how they're handling it
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Preferential as in employment. Not a specific placement scheme.
Peter Gibbons
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This wasn't always the case.... not so long ago (probably 5 years, maybe a bit more) around the time they made the change to the idiotic get your facility assignments your last day of the academy system in place now, you used to know where you were going when you got your FOL, that went for everyone, and it was much more luck of the draw, and everyone went thru the academy.
Depending on the states you applied to (you picked 2 states per app) if you were a vet or previous experience you may be selected for certain higher level facilities that had a big time need for bodies, like N90, NCT, SCT etc, but other than that it was the same. So ya, there was some preference given, but to places most people wouldn't want to go or data shows most brand new people have a hard time being successful at.
My opinion they kind of threw the baby out with the bathwater on that system, it was better just needed some tweaks to streamline the system, like make it a region instead of specific states. How the faa as even doing it the last half decade or so is moronic.
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