CPC-IT Reinstatement, Immediately ERR

[oledoggy]

Been out of the FAA for a couple of years and now working contract tower, for family reasons, and being stuck at old facility for 9 years. Had ERR's in every single panel and never got selected so I quit. Issues have since been resolved and now want back in. Decided to try the reinstatement process. I was at a level 7 up/down. With reinstatement, I can only go to a level 7 or lower, but like everyone here I think we all want to be at a higher level facility. Anyone have any luck being a CPC-IT and ERR'ing into a higher level facility? I'm looking to be at least at a level 9 or higher. Sucks to screw over receiving facility this way, but I think I've paid my dues in ERR purgatory already. The FAA looks out for itself and I have to look out for myself too. Thanks for any help

 

[Dolan]

You could try. I can tell you where I've been as soon as you put that paperwork in expect your training to get terminated before the next panel but that's just how we do. Might work, definitely fucks over your facility. Let us know!

 

[ajmezz]

I'm pretty sure cpc-it's are looked at after all current cpc's, so with how limited releases are across the board as it is, I don't foresee you having much luck. Most likely it'll have a reverse effect like dolan's post says and stir some shit up.

 

[oledoggy]

You could try. I can tell you where I've been as soon as you put that paperwork in expect your training to get terminated before the next panel but that's just how we do. Might work, definitely fucks over your facility. Let us know!

The screwing the facility is not my intention believe me. I'm just worried if I certify there then I could be stuck again. I know they won't like it, but life's to short to worry about what other people think. Will let you know though!

I'm pretty sure cpc-it's are looked at after all current cpc's, so with how limited releases are across the board as it is, I don't foresee you having much luck. Most likely it'll have a reverse effect like dolan's post says and stir some shit up.

Appreciate the honest response

 

[jorgeluis161]

Appreciate the honest response

Since you are only a CPC-IT at the time of the NCEPT you'll be dead last for consideration after actual CPCs.

 

[Acquired Taste]

Basically, the only way to get selected as a CPC-IT is to put in for ZNY or somewhere else that has literally 0 eligible ERRs. I don't think I've ever seen a dev or cpc-it selected in the last 5+ years I've been watching ncept like a hawk. Basically impossible. My advice is just certify quickly and drop your paperwork like everyone else

 

[oledoggy]

Basically, the only way to get selected as a CPC-IT is to put in for ZNY or somewhere else that has literally 0 eligible ERRs. I don't think I've ever seen a dev or cpc-it selected in the last 5+ years I've been watching ncept like a hawk. Basically impossible. My advice is just certify quickly and drop your paperwork like everyone else

That'll be the plan then, thanks!

 

[Nothanks]

I don’t really find this route that attractive, lose senority, lose the yearly raises, potentially have to go from paying 1.3% into fers retirement up to %4.9, takes longer to eventual retirement. All to end up back at the same level and still need to ERR. To each their own I guess

Someone else said it though, ERR’ing as a developmental is next to impossible.

 

[NightWatch]

Since you are only a CPC-IT at the time of the NCEPT you'll be dead last for consideration after actual CPCs.

Pretty sure CPC-ITs are considered before Dev’s. I don’t believe the two fall in the same boat but I could be wrong. Thought Dev’s are always dead last.

 

[Redacted]

I don’t really find this route that attractive, lose senority, lose the yearly raises, potentially have to go from paying 1.3% into fers retirement up to %4.9, takes longer to eventual retirement. All to end up back at the same level and still need to ERR. To each their own I guess

Someone else said it though, ERR’ing as a developmental is next to impossible.

I’m fairly certain you’d be grandfathered back into your original FERS tier. Do you have something to show differently?

Here’s OPM guidance:

https://www.opm.gov/retirement-center/publications-forms/benefits-administration-letters/2014/14-107.pdf

 

[jdatc]

I’m fairly certain you’d be grandfathered back into your original FERS tier. Do you have something to show differently?

Here’s OPM guidance:

https://www.opm.gov/retirement-center/publications-forms/benefits-administration-letters/2014/14-107.pdf

I’ve heard that ( grandfathering) as well.

 

[Redacted]

I’ve heard that ( grandfathering) as well.

I went and got the OPM guidance which confirms what I said. Edited it into my original reply.

I should say there are some specific nuances to it depending on their employment status on 12/31/12 and their years of service prior.

 

[Nothanks]

I went and got the OPM guidance which confirms what I said. Edited it into my original reply.

I should say there are some specific nuances to it depending on their employment status on 12/31/12 and their years of service prior.

Ah, I didn’t know that. Thanks for the info

 

[Move78]

Pretty sure CPC-ITs are considered before Dev’s. I don’t believe the two fall in the same boat but I could be wrong. Thought Dev’s are always dead last.

CPCITs are considered after CPCs. Devs are case by case. They both usually just get denied.

 

[radarserviceterminated]

I’d be curious about if you applied to one of the usajobs bids though. Wonder if N90 or C90 could just pick somebody up.

 

[MJ]

I’d be curious about if you applied to one of the usajobs bids though. Wonder if N90 or C90 could just pick somebody up.

They are internal announcements.

 

[Redacted]

They are internal announcements.

Here’s a question for you.

They’re internal announcements, but often the language differs

The N90 one says “Open to current permanent FAA employees, ATO-Wide”

The N90 supervisor one says “Open to current permanent FAA employees ATO-Wide and AMA-500”

A ZLC TMU one says “This position is open to current, permanent FAA employees”

Three different set of internal hiring criteria. This implies that if one could find a permanent FAA position within the ATO they could apply for these positions without being a current controller, and for the ZLC it doesn’t even stipulate being part of the ATO.

If one has the required experience, are there non-controller positions one could apply for within the ATO (or not in the tmu case) that would provide a means for people to apply to these listings without dealing with the deviations process?

 

[MJ]

Here’s a question for you.

They’re internal announcements, but often the language differs

The N90 one says “Open to current permanent FAA employees, ATO-Wide”

The N90 supervisor one says “Open to current permanent FAA employees ATO-Wide and AMA-500”

A ZLC TMU one says “This position is open to current, permanent FAA employees”

Three different set of internal hiring criteria. This implies that if one could find a permanent FAA position within the ATO they could apply for these positions without being a current controller, and for the ZLC it doesn’t even stipulate being part of the ATO.

If one has the required experience, are there non-controller positions one could apply for within the ATO (or not in the tmu case) that would provide a means for people to apply to these listings without dealing with the deviations process?

If all the requirements are met and assuming the job posting is accurate, I don't see why not. There's definitely non-2152 FAA positions to apply to. I constantly hear about them from GulfCharlie

controller -> ATO transfers are still covered by the NRP though, as far as I'm aware.

 

[GulfCharlie]

If all the requirements are met and assuming the job posting is accurate, I don't see why not. There's definitely non-2152 FAA positions to apply to. I constantly hear about them from GulfCharlie

controller -> ATO transfers are still covered by the NRP though, as far as I'm aware.

the golden pasture boys: You never have to train anyone, spot leave available, and hey to top it all off you have federal holiday leave (especially if you hate seeing the front office take an early shove). I think this year alone I probably did about 10-12 interviews with 5 TOL's.

 

[radarserviceterminated]

They are internal announcements.

Yeah, but once you’re back in you’re in. Guess the language is slightly different on each type of announcement but I’ve seen a TMU hired that was a CPC-IT. Was just curious if the same thing applies on the controller side.