Facility Downgrades / Upgrades

[Acquired Taste]

DVT. 9>8
LAX. 12>11
MOB. 8>7
MSP. 10>9
PDX. 8>7
SFB. 9>8
Effective 7/16/2023

NVT been busy

 

[Mike Kilo]

Ouch, PDX was a nice spot too.

 

[CoffeeIV]

The post-Covid downgrades continue. SFB was at 356k OPs in 2019 and will probably get to 260k by years end. They lost a ton of air taxis.

 

[Smitty]

 

[Top5fatcat]

The faa is so smart to give these facilities downgrades. Now they can hire 1500 new controllers as they will fit in the budget 🤡

 

[FightingIrish2012]

It is crazy NYC always escapes this. I understand they want to keep the wages there high to attract workers but it is a different set of rules. In other News FedEx pilots rejected a deal to increase their wages by 30%. So glad NATCA committed to the 1.6% for life lol.

 

[Wizard]

Bro 🤣🤣🤣

It is crazy NYC always escapes this. I understand they want to keep the wages there high to attract workers but it is a different set of rules. In other News FedEx pilots rejected a deal to increase their wages by 30%. So glad NATCA committed to the 1.6% for life lol.

The argument that they want to keep the pay the same as the other towers is horseshit. Let’s make MDW a 12 so people ERR there. Wait people already do.

 

[Bandit117]

NVT been busy

Its a form of backdoor pay cuts.

 

[ATC Zero]

DVT. 9>8
LAX. 12>11
MOB. 8>7
MSP. 10>9
PDX. 8>7
SFB. 9>8
Effective 7/16/2023

The ERR lists are going to get shorter to a lot of these places. MSP used to be a country club well staffed, level 9 pay is hardly worth it for the cost of living in the twin cities. Even with high locality pay in some of these places it’s not worth it after many years of the regular raises adding up.
More now mid level places not many people want to go to unless it’s home for them.

 

[GoWithTheTrafficFlow]

According to someone’s prior experience list on r/atc, it looks like AZO downgraded back to a 7 as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/14smpy4

 

[OhG]

According to someone’s prior experience list on r/atc, it looks like AZO downgraded back to a 7 as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/14smpy4

Helluva list. DAL and HOU to start is crazy. Theyre giving out 8's to priors now?

 

[NotKC]

Helluva list. DAL and HOU to start is crazy. Theyre giving out 8's to priors now?

They were always handing out 8s and 9s. Just have to have the right amount of exp. Theres a whole SOP floating around on this site somewhere that will confirm what I am saying.

 

[Smitty]

Why did NATCA refuse to renegotiate the failing complexity formula under the "most union friendly administration in history"? The airlines are turning down 30% pay raises, and we have hundreds of controllers getting de facto pay cuts? Wow!

 

[RomeoTangoRT]

Helluva list. DAL and HOU to start is crazy. Theyre giving out 8's to priors now?

They were always handing out 8s and 9s. Just have to have the right amount of exp. Theres a whole SOP floating around on this site somewhere that will confirm what I am saying.

I gotchu

 

[Smitty]

APARTHEID wages.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Why did NATCA refuse to renegotiate the failing complexity formula under the "most union friendly administration in history"? The airlines are turning down 30% pay raises, and we have hundreds of controllers getting de facto pay cuts? Wow!

Every person needs to get out of the union the day they are retirement eligible (or sooner).

 

[DeltaNiner]

When are we going to see some upgrades/downgrades in centers? 👀

 

[Wizard]

When are we going to see some upgrades/downgrades in centers? 👀

Hopefully soon. Need more downgrades to get this system fixed.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

Centers are waiting for abacus

 

[Mr. Miner]

level 9 pay is hardly worth it for the cost of living in the twin cities

I'm betting at almost every lvl 9, pay is hardly worth it living in the area