Our current state of the union

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I’m fed up.

Our Union has become a shadow of its former self, now resembling a social club for those who contribute little but still reap the benefits of others’ hard work and dues. Rather than supporting the workforce, current leadership seems more concerned with their own career advancement, neglecting the collective responsibility that the union was built upon. They appear more interested in aligning with management than in advocating for our well being, constantly rubber stamping proposals with little regard for the dues paying members.

While we have grown complacent with the 6/10 workweeks, our leadership has taken full advantage of the situation. They’ve handed out Article 114 duties to a select few, while they lounge in the union office, feet up, watching sports, and enjoying pizza. All of this is paid for by your local members’ dues. After a “hard day” of negotiations, these sessions often continue at the bar, where the tab is conveniently covered by your dues ONCE AGAIN. Congratulations, everyone. We’ve been duped under the false promise that they are trying to make things better.

It’s time to start asking tough questions and holding accountable those controllers who have been pulled from the floor for so-called “other duties.” Don’t just vent online.
Call them out in the area.

NATCA can no longer hide behind the threat of reinstating the white book. At this point, if management demanded it, NATCA would likely comply without hesitation. The recent election cycle has exposed NATCA’s true colors. Our dues have become a personal piggy bank for a select few in leadership who clearly do not have our best interests at heart.
 
I’m fed up.

Our Union has become a shadow of its former self, now resembling a social club for those who contribute little but still reap the benefits of others’ hard work and dues. Rather than supporting the workforce, current leadership seems more concerned with their own career advancement, neglecting the collective responsibility that the union was built upon. They appear more interested in aligning with management than in advocating for our well being, constantly rubber stamping proposals with little regard for the dues paying members.

While we have grown complacent with the 6/10 workweeks, our leadership has taken full advantage of the situation. They’ve handed out Article 114 duties to a select few, while they lounge in the union office, feet up, watching sports, and enjoying pizza. All of this is paid for by your local members’ dues. After a “hard day” of negotiations, these sessions often continue at the bar, where the tab is conveniently covered by your dues ONCE AGAIN. Congratulations, everyone. We’ve been duped under the false promise that they are trying to make things better.

It’s time to start asking tough questions and holding accountable those controllers who have been pulled from the floor for so-called “other duties.” Don’t just vent online.
Call them out in the area.

NATCA can no longer hide behind the threat of reinstating the white book. At this point, if management demanded it, NATCA would likely comply without hesitation. The recent election cycle has exposed NATCA’s true colors. Our dues have become a personal piggy bank for a select few in leadership who clearly do not have our best interests at heart.
The runoff seems to have gotten a decent point across to those still in the election. I think they realize they could lose dues from the ~20% that voted for JD or Mike if they don’t finally act on what the BUE has been screaming for the last few years. Frivolous spending has also been talking about several times by the candidates so hopefully they’re finally listening but only time will tell. They should realize if they don’t act on anything they won’t get another term, if NATCA even survives that long.

If they don’t secure a good raise I will be leaving the union without a doubt.
 
Before the results of the election were out Rich and Mick both listened to the membership and both said they will be fighting and negotiating a new contract. Would it be hard under Trump, sure, but we don’t have a union to only do things when it’s easy.

After the ballots were in Nick and Jamaal started posting memes on their Facebook about the yacht, making a joke about spending but only after it wouldn’t hurt them.

After the results were counted and no candidate won we saw Nick and Jamaal then scramble and remove motions and talk about fiscal responsibility, even though they still say they will do whatever’s in the constitution and spend that much. Sounds like someone who will look for loopholes to keep partying.
 
Before the results of the election were out Rich and Mick both listened to the membership and both said they will be fighting and negotiating a new contract. Would it be hard under Trump, sure, but we don’t have a union to only do things when it’s easy.
Was this before or after Rich was caught on tape saying that there was no way we could negotiate under a Trump 2?
 
Was this before or after Rich was caught on tape saying that there was no way we could negotiate under a Trump 2?
This was after Rich saw the vote from the membership and then said if that’s what the membership wants that’s what our union should do. That’s what a leader of a union should do, listen to the memberships not the bartenders.

Nick kept doubling down until the runoff. So I’ll take the person who listened to the membership before the votes were counted instead of the one who didn’t exact same thing after the votes were counted.
 
How long is this "recording" going to be held against Rich? The Eastern region leadership sent out a poll for the members if they wanted to extend or negotiate and the region overwhelmingly voted to renegotiate. Since then, Rich has changed his tune and is on course to renegotiate regardless of who wins (he has said this ON TAPE in the recent town hall).

Yeah, maybe he should have known already but I appreciate someone willing to listen to the membership. I don't keep close tabs on what's going on nationally but it felt like he got behind the renegotiate bandwagon immediately after the eastern region membership spoke.
 
Was this before or after Rich was caught on tape saying that there was no way we could negotiate under a Trump 2?
Uhh he said that and then said we would negotiate and heard membership. It's not like some secret.

That said the fact that the uppers had no idea how low morale is.....quite comical.

I dont think we will se a raise this year but if we don't get a band adjustment or something I'm out in Jan 2026.

Any trainee that was delayed with covid should also leave-be thankful you have a job...when no other agencies lost years of intra band gs steps but whatever
 
Was this before or after Rich was caught on tape saying that there was no way we could negotiate under a Trump 2?
He’s right though. We’d be fucking insane to try to open negotiations under a trump administration when we have the option to kick the can. The mistake was kicking the can when we had a democratic admin.
 
The runoff seems to have gotten a decent point across to those still in the election. I think they realize they could lose dues from the ~20% that voted for JD or Mike if they don’t finally act on what the BUE has been screaming for the last few years. Frivolous spending has also been talking about several times by the candidates so hopefully they’re finally listening but only time will tell. They should realize if they don’t act on anything they won’t get another term, if NATCA even survives that long.

If they don’t secure a good raise I will be leaving the union without a doubt.
Same, as I think we all should in such an event. I don’t think very many realize that we are the only facet of the aviation industry who hasn’t received a significant pay raise respective to dispatchers, pilots, flight attendants etc.
 
I cannot help but feel, regardless of how this election turns out, NATCA is living on borrowed time.
They are unless they deliver on the types of things Devine talks about in his video.

And it will be harder than ever to do that in 2027 when they go to a pay arbitration. A 20% immediate raise would be required to pull even with inflation, and 25% required to have a true raise over the last 4 years.

Imagine what that percentage will be after another 2+ years of 1.6% increases and the 2% we get this January and probably 0% the following January?
 
They are unless they deliver on the types of things Devine talks about in his video.

And it will be harder than ever to do that in 2027 when they go to a pay arbitration. A 20% immediate raise would be required to pull even with inflation, and 25% required to have a true raise over the last 4 years.

Imagine what that percentage will be after another 2+ years of 1.6% increases and the 2% we get this January and probably 0% the following January?
It’s supposed to be 3% in 2026
 
They are unless they deliver on the types of things Devine talks about in his video.

And it will be harder than ever to do that in 2027 when they go to a pay arbitration. A 20% immediate raise would be required to pull even with inflation, and 25% required to have a true raise over the last 4 years.

Imagine what that percentage will be after another 2+ years of 1.6% increases and the 2% we get this January and probably 0% the following January?
You're gonna take your 5% immediate raise and 5 % over the course of 2 years and you're gonna like it.
 
I think that will probably be it. I think that’s all the support specialist are going to get, that’s why they are taking their time confirming and announcing that contract.
I think our best hope to get the most people the biggest raise is rebuilding the bands and steps. Getting rid of the 1.6 in exchange for steps that are bigger and less to get to the top and are guaranteed even if there’s no federal raise

And making it so you never lose a step throughout your career.

For longevity you should just move up into the next band if you get there at your current facility. Not sure what to do with the cap that should have been addressed in the reauthorization instead of doing an excel Spreadsheet
 
I think our best hope to get the most people the biggest raise is rebuilding the bands and steps. Getting rid of the 1.6 in exchange for steps that are bigger and less to get to the top and are guaranteed even if there’s no federal raise

And making it so you never lose a step throughout your career.

For longevity you should just move up into the next band if you get there at your current facility. Not sure what to do with the cap that should have been addressed in the reauthorization instead of doing an excel Spreadsheet
We keep getting compared to senators on salary...but our stock restrictions are way different. We don't get free gym memberships at a nice congressional gym, don't get subsidized coffee shops and cafeterias, don't get commute bonuses. WE HAD TO FIGHT TO SLEEP ON OVERNIGHT SHIFTS WHILE THEY SLEEP LIVE ON TV.
 
We keep getting compared to senators on salary...but our stock restrictions are way different. We don't get free gym memberships at a nice congressional gym, don't get subsidized coffee shops and cafeterias, don't get commute bonuses. WE HAD TO FIGHT TO SLEEP ON OVERNIGHT SHIFTS WHILE THEY SLEEP LIVE ON TV.
I’ll get downvoted but the people running our country should make way more. And in part that will help everyone who is making as much as a senator. Like to run the USA you make the same as a Netflix realtor? Wtf.
 
I’ll get downvoted but the people running our country should make way more. And in part that will help everyone who is making as much as a senator. Like to run the USA you make the same as a Netflix realtor? Wtf
Sure, salary is that much. Let’s talk stock market trading. Look at the net worth of a lot of those guys, they aren’t hurting because of the stock market and then further investing the returns.

For how little they do without getting something in return they don’t need more of a salary. They can’t even pass a budget on time or in the 6 months after the budget should have been passed basically.
 
Sure, salary is that much. Let’s talk stock market trading. Look at the net worth of a lot of those guys, they aren’t hurting because of the stock market and then further investing the returns.

For how little they do without getting something in return they don’t need more of a salary. They can’t even pass a budget on time or in the 6 months after the budget should have been passed basically.
I get the sentiment but these people are in charge of the country and paying them so little gets people who are already rich and just want influence. Then down the line it effects us and all the other Feds
 
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