What did you lazy fucks do last week?

[32andBelow]

OPM has now clarified that it’s voluntary & no one will be fired for failing to respond.

OPM tells HR leaders that response to Musk is ‘voluntary’

The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) informed agency leaders that employee response to an email asking for a recap of what they accomplished last week is voluntary and that failure to do so wil…

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But will they actually send a follow up email stating that? Or just sources with knowledge of the situation say. We have to be very careful to get official guidance in writing during these times. Until you get overriding communication I’d be weary

 

[DOD4Life]

But will they actually send a follow up email stating that? Or just sources with knowledge of the situation say. We have to be very careful to get official guidance in writing during these times. Until you get overriding communication I’d be weary

Oh, for sure, I agree. The agency heads who are not funneling this down the management chain as quickly as possible are failing miserably in their duties to their employees.

 

[DOD4Life]

But will they actually send a follow up email stating that? Or just sources with knowledge of the situation say. We have to be very careful to get official guidance in writing during these times. Until you get overriding communication I’d be weary

DOD, our command, and our facility handled this very well. The email from the Office of Secretary of Defense (via an under secretary) was sent directly to the email accounts of all our controllers (sent out yesterday), a separate email forwarding that guidance down from Local Commander via the management chain, the email guidance was printed out for each controller to read for himself/herself before they could get access to a computer, and an employee mass text within the facility text group sharing the guidance so that night shift and those on leave received the info to put their minds at ease. Of course, we’re not a large facility with a large number of controllers.

 

[SquawkHijack]

Your entitled to all 8 hours too

We were offered the OT and then our ATM came back and said disregard the agency isnt authorizing comp, credit or OT to come in and reply to the email. Those on leave or RDOs are evidently just expected to reply when they return to duty? Aka shitshow.

 

[32andBelow]

We were offered the OT and then our ATM came back and said disregard the agency is t authorizing comp, credit or OT to come in and do it. Those on leave or RDOs are evidently just expected to reply when they return to duty? Aka shitshow.

Yah that’s what we were told. But I’m considering just going and doing it cus I don’t trust it, but I’m lucky to only be a couple minutes away.

 

[Raise when?]

NATCA is monitoring the situation closely guys! Don't forget to order your Natca in Washington merch! Free shipping with orders over $250!

 

[SquawkHijack]

Yah that’s what we were told. But I’m considering just going and doing it cus I don’t trust it, but I’m lucky to only be a couple minutes away.

Yeah that’s what I did too under the same rationale. I really think they’re shaking the tree to see what falls out.

 

[Raise when?]

I'm so glad Nick re-upped the contract to protect the 77 articles. You know, so that he could get so much leverage. This leverage is amazing, it's working wonders for us, so many protections!

 

[GroundClutter]

They're pretty busy guys. Way to hard for National to come up with a plan.

Got that Alcohol list tho!

 

[CoffeeIV]

That whole list was made well ahead of time versus a spur of the moment e-mail to the entire federal workforce where leadership of each department didn't even know what was going on.

But good on you with trying to help with the union busting.

 

[32andBelow]

That whole list was made well ahead of time versus a spur of the moment e-mail to the entire federal workforce where leadership of each department didn't even know what was going on.

But good on you with trying to help with the union busting.

I’d like to see NATCA go on a more serious footing. Be in facility, cancel events, cancel parties, we don’t need a news story or controller partying during CFS. Or people on official time eating pulled pork. Being at work and demanding clarity for everything is showing your a strong union.

 

[CoffeeIV]

I’d like to see NATCA go on a more serious footing. Be in facility, cancel events, cancel parties, we don’t need a news story or controller partying during CFS. Or people on official time eating pulled pork. Being at work and demanding clarity for everything is showing your a strong union.

Some of you will never be satisfied with what is done. Regional leadership held telecons after getting word from Nick/Mick I'd assume. They gave out what they knew. When the DoT/FAA initially are in agreement not to reply then all of a sudden change their minds because they're getting differing information from their bosses then obviously the Union isn't going to know this until after they've reassessed or been briefed about the changes.

The only criticism I have is they should have simply said do or do not reply to the e-mail as a whole sooner. I think they took too long and people panicked and started e-mailing. At that point, I'd say you want everyone to reply because if a facility got 80% responses and 20% didnt, then it might be favorable to cut those 20%. But I could be wrong and that's why they changed their stance last minute.

Also it seems that event had a lot of Fac Reps and other representation. Who were in touch with their facilities. At least mine was funneling information as soon as it was available.

 

[32andBelow]

Some of you will never be satisfied with what is done. Regional leadership held telecons after getting word from Nick/Mick I'd assume. They gave out what they knew. When the DoT/FAA initially are in agreement not to reply then all of a sudden change their minds because they're getting differing information from their bosses then obviously the Union isn't going to know this until after they've reassessed or been briefed about the changes.

The only criticism I have is they should have simply said do or do not reply to the e-mail as a whole sooner. I think they took too long and people panicked and started e-mailing. At that point, I'd say you want everyone to reply because if a facility got 80% responses and 20% didnt, then it might be favorable to cut those 20%. But I could be wrong and that's why they changed their stance last minute.

Also it seems that event had a lot of Fac Reps and other representation. Who were in touch with their facilities. At least mine was funneling information as soon as it was available.

Our biggest hold up is there’s no official guidance in writing the overrides the deadline. And if the facreps are all gone then they aren’t available. These things are happening so fast that they need to consider being in facility as much as possible.

We don’t need conferences and parties for the foreseeable future.

 

[GroundClutter]

Some of you will never be satisfied with what is done. Regional leadership held telecons after getting word from Nick/Mick I'd assume. They gave out what they knew. When the DoT/FAA initially are in agreement not to reply then all of a sudden change their minds because they're getting differing information from their bosses then obviously the Union isn't going to know this until after they've reassessed or been briefed about the changes.

The only criticism I have is they should have simply said do or do not reply to the e-mail as a whole sooner. I think they took too long and people panicked and started e-mailing. At that point, I'd say you want everyone to reply because if a facility got 80% responses and 20% didnt, then it might be favorable to cut those 20%. But I could be wrong and that's why they changed their stance last minute.

Also it seems that event had a lot of Fac Reps and other representation. Who were in touch with their facilities. At least mine was funneling information as soon as it was available.

Or you know... Have a fucking spine and tell them to get fucked. That our controllers work everyday to hold this system together.

For fucks sake man have some pride in what we do and know that we are valuable.

 

[CoffeeIV]

Our biggest hold up is there’s no official guidance in writing the overrides the deadline. And if the facreps are all gone then they aren’t available. These things are happening so fast that they need to consider being in facility as much as possible.

We don’t need conferences and parties for the foreseeable future.

Yeah that's not how any organization works but we can agree to disagree.

 

[GroundClutter]

You know what having a spine and having messaging that is powerful looks like?

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www.afge.org

 

[DOD4Life]

Yeah that's not how any organization works but we can agree to disagree.

Even other federal Unions never directed employees not to comply. That’s not their place. However, maybe trying to apply some pressure to FAA & DOT management by pointing out how other agency heads provided guidance via email to NOT reply to OPM, would’ve been useful.

You know what having a spine and having messaging that is powerful looks like?

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www.afge.org

Another poster here called that nothing more than “mudflinging,” but it at least made us feel like AFGE was doing something to stand up for us.

 

[Spoony90]

They're pretty busy guys. Way to hard for National to come up with a plan.

Got that Alcohol list tho!

Who the hell still drinks bud light? 🌈

 

[CoffeeIV]

Even other federal Unions never directed employees not to comply. That’s not their place. However, maybe trying to apply some pressure to FAA & DOT management by pointing out how other agency heads provided guidance via email to NOT reply to OPM, would’ve been useful.

AFGE also has 800,000 members or more versus the 20,000 NATCA has. I'm willing to bet they don't have any anti-strike anti-work stoppage laws forcing them to play a bit nicer either.

I do believe NATCA should have emailed everyone immediately saying we were not replying as a whole. This caused nothing but chaos and unhappiness amongst the BUE.

 

[CreepyPineapple]

The problem is our union looked disjointed and weak through this. By Sunday they could have sent an email that states something along the lines of “Only reply to OPM’s email if instructed to by management while on duty time and then notify your facrep. Here is a template you can use if needed.” Then adding a message about we will take legal action to protect our members against any actions taken against them for their response or lack of response to the email.

Then you just let management side be the ones running around looking confused and disjointed. The problem is NATCA national have become an extension of FAA management. They are so worried about appeasing management rather than protecting their members. That’s what “collaboration” will do.
You had a prime opportunity to demonstrate our power. If they tried to fire even 500 controllers, the NAS slows to a crawl. Never mind the legality of it.