D2 at a Z entering the NEST questions

[jedwards8501]

Had training terminated at my lvl 11 Z last week. Certified on all 7 D's but just couldn't get proficient enough on the R-side with the complexity and amount of traffic. Was told I shouldn't worry about getting terminated from the agency. But I have some questions if anyone can help me out. What does the timeline look like from the day training is terminated to the day I get reassigned? I understand I need to attend terminal training at OKC but is the training is pass/pass? What level facilities should I expect on my NEST list?

 

[flypilot]

Terminal training at OKC is pass/pass. My guess is level 7 and below will be offered

 

[HenryTheAce]

Yeah level 7 and below vfr tower
should be offered. Timeline depends on when the next NEST is.

 

[Phanatical]

As long as you aren’t probationary, you will be retained (even then, probably retained).

Timeline could be a couple of weeks to 3 months.

You can only be in job jeopardy one time during your career at the academy. Once you pass an IQT course at the academy, it’s pass/pass for the rest of your career. Like others said, expect Level 7 and below facilities.

 

[buffalochickenqueefadilla]

Must have seen 50 people wash at this point in my career. The only one I've seen get terminated was one who turned down their list. If you aren't a PoS, you'll be retained.

 

[Termine]

Terminal training at OKC is pass/pass.

To be exact, all training at OKC is job jeopardy once. If jedwards8501 went through OKC for Enroute training and passed, then re-training at OKC is pass/pass.

It is quite possible for a new-hire Terminal student to wash out of OKC and be terminated from the FAA...

 

[32andBelow]

The last people at my facility that did this got over 100 options. You won’t get any radar options tho so they’ll be tower only

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Tower class will be pass/pass. Thank Bryan Zillonis for that, he went to arbitration to assure that. You probably don’t know him, but he was a RVP and once ran vs Rinaldi (the fuck who extended the slate book then retired).

Also though, don’t settle for the “you will onto get VFR tower” line. Some people try to push that, mostly dinosaur old FAA fucks who think if you can’t certify at a center radar sector you can’t certify at even the slowest TRACON sector in the FAA, but you can absolutely get a level 5 or 6 up/down. It might not be smart to if you want to certify then ERR ASAP, but if there is a low level up down in a place you want to live push for it.

 

[MikeAlpha]

Had training terminated at my lvl 11 Z last week. Certified on all 7 D's but just couldn't get proficient enough on the R-side with the complexity and amount of traffic. Was told I shouldn't worry about getting terminated from the agency. But I have some questions if anyone can help me out. What does the timeline look like from the day training is terminated to the day I get reassigned? I understand I need to attend terminal training at OKC but is the training is pass/pass? What level facilities should I expect on my NEST list?

How long have you been at your current Z, if I may ask?

 

[jedwards8501]

Closing in on 2 years so past my probationary period

How long have you been at your current Z, if I may ask?

 

[AlmostEligible]

This happened to me years ago. Long story short got certified at a small tower and eventually got certified at a different Z some years later. The agency is VERY forgiving as long as you don't wash at 2 facilities in a row. Wash at 2 facilities in a row and it's game over.

 

[SierraZulu]

Closing in on 2 years so past my probationary period

You get your list?

 

[yungsodapapi]

In the same boat as OP, D2 and just washed at my Z on my first two R sides…. All the towers back ‘home’ are up/down towers. Was your list strictly VFR towers?

 

[FightingIrish2012]

In the same boat as OP, D2 and just washed at my Z on my first two R sides…. All the towers back ‘home’ are up/down towers. Was your list strictly VFR towers?

The list should not be all VFR towers, expect up downs level six and below and maybe a level 7 tower only but those can be harder then centers, so don’t take one.

 

[BPM31694]

We just had a dude wash out at my Z (no certifications) and was offered multiple level 7 towers in his NEST list lmfao

 

[32andBelow]

The list should not be all VFR towers, expect up downs level six and below and maybe a level 7 tower only but those can be harder then centers, so don’t take one.

I only seen the zero r side people get VFR towers from my facility. But it sounds like they might treat 11-12s differently for whatever reason.

 

[StealthChain]

In the same boat as OP, D2 and just washed at my Z on my first two R sides…. All the towers back ‘home’ are up/down towers. Was your list strictly VFR towers?

Right now they are giving all the D2 from my level 12 Z 7 & below tower and up/down. Seems to be anything under 100% projected. Could change from panel to panel, but the last couple panels that’s what our D2’s have gotten

 

[Soul_Controller]

It's funny. When you get a center controller that they let struggle through a mercy checkout on an R-side or two, they are usually trash at radar and will try to cling to the one or two center principles they know (ten right!). Dside only you can still try to build from the ground up.

 

[StealthChain]

It's funny. When you get a center controller that they let struggle through a mercy checkout on an R-side or two, they are usually trash at radar and will try to cling to the one or two center principles they know (ten right!). Dside only you can still try to build from the ground up.

So you’re saying there’s still a chance

 

[Raise when?]

It's funny. When you get a center controller that they let struggle through a mercy checkout on an R-side or two, they are usually trash at radar and will try to cling to the one or two center principles they know (ten right!). Dside only you can still try to build from the ground up.

Sadly enough everything you said is for sure true lol. And I’ve only worked at centers in my illustrious career