Facility Downgrades / Upgrades

when are the ARTCC's getting downgraded again? Asking for a friend.

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It’s impossible to ever upgrade or downgrade a center again, no technology or tool exists in the world that can accurately measure the traffic count they say. Even though we had the technology to put a guy in the moon fifty years ago this summer. And had the technology to build a fucking nuclear bomb 25 years prior to that.
 
It’s impossible to ever upgrade or downgrade a center again, no technology or tool exists in the world that can accurately measure the traffic count they say. Even though we had the technology to put a guy in the moon fifty years ago this summer. And had the technology to build a fucking nuclear bomb 25 years prior to that.
ABACUS will fix the enroute traffic CI debacle. Sometime between late 2020 and infinite. Allegedly.
 
Why do you want the agency to take people’s money? Good looking out “brother”

I want fair & equitable brutha. Maybe that goes against some one liner you saw on a poster in your local NATCA office. Keep circling the wagon, and telling the rest of the peasants who got savaged by downgrades to hold yer beer. No wait, I mean, solidarity for all! Even if it means being a 2nd or 3rd class citizen. As long as the NEB is proud and can keep burying their heads in the sand posting about social justice and identity politics on their Facebook and twitter. As NCEPT burns and the downgrades only affect the plebeians. Fraternally!
 
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Why do you want the agency to take people’s money? Good looking out “brother”
Go check yourself Captain, you support this but you are probably also a die hard Bernie supporter outside of work. These downgrades disproportionately effect the bottom of the pay bands, I’m sure tour sitting pretty in a center TMU job someplace and say “let um eat cake”. By your political logic we should average all the bands 4 through 12 and pay that to everyone #feeldaburn
 
when are the ARTCC's getting downgraded again? Asking for a friend.

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Plenty of terminal facilities spent years in the red before getting downgraded. That's all available information displayed in the aap portal. The starkest difference actually so far is when a terminal facility goes green for 3 months they start the upgrade process and the enroute facilities due for an upgrade have been SOL for years. But hey that doesn't fit your narrative does it.
 
But hey that doesn't fit your narrative does it.

Tower and Tracon controllers have not been treated the same as Center controllers when it comes specifically to downgrades. Which fits the narrative, because it is the narrative.

That said, If someone has not been subjected to the same severe austerity measures, its reasonable that they would be defensive about any implication of the relative unfairness of that. So I understand the pushback :yay:
 
Tower and Tracon controllers have not been treated the same as Center controllers when it comes specifically to downgrades. Which fits the narrative, because it is the narrative.

That said, If someone has not been subjected to the same severe austerity measures, its reasonable that they would be defensive about any implication of the relative unfairness of that. So I understand the pushback :yay:
We save pay in a downgrade. There are 500-700 controllers that missed out on a 6% raise, to be compiled upon, for years now. Costing the membership a boatload is lost wages. But when you're wishing a perceived hardship to be shared you're not very interested in the collective I guess.
 
But when you're wishing a perceived hardship to be shared you're not very interested in the collective I guess.

im interested in fair and equitable for the collective

All the towers are going to be 4’s except for GRR which will be a 5. AZO will go up one level for sure, maybe two, that is the one big question.

AZO might be the new hot place to be. You gonna put your paperwork in?
 
Go check yourself Captain, you support this but you are probably also a die hard Bernie supporter outside of work. These downgrades disproportionately effect the bottom of the pay bands, I’m sure tour sitting pretty in a center TMU job someplace and say “let um eat cake”. By your political logic we should average all the bands 4 through 12 and pay that to everyone #feeldaburn
What? What does political support of a candidate have to do with anything. Nice assumptions though, from a small facility and transferred to a big one to actually work traffic.

I want fair & equitable brutha. Maybe that goes against some one liner you saw on a poster in your local NATCA office. Keep circling the wagon, and telling the rest of the peasants who got savaged by downgrades to hold yer beer. No wait, I mean, solidarity for all! Even if it means being a 2nd or 3rd class citizen. As long as the NEB is proud and can keep burying their heads in the sand posting about social justice and identity politics on their Facebook and twitter. As NCEPT burns and the downgrades only affect the plebeians. Fraternally!
I came from a facility that got downgraded. But cheers! Thanks for assuming
 
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