Hiring Bid FAA-ATO-19-ALLSRCE-61676

My HR rep is LM and I was cleared in April. I received my last email at the beginning of May stating I was pending a class date and cannot determine, due to the current situation when that will be offered. It's going to get more interesting in the next few weeks...
 
My HR rep is LM and I was cleared in April. I received my last email at the beginning of May stating I was pending a class date and cannot determine, due to the current situation when that will be offered. It's going to get more interesting in the next few weeks...
LM is my rep also. Haven’t heard from here since early May either.
 
Hi all! This bid was my third and final shot at the career, and I'm so excited to share that I finally got a call yesterday offering a virtual onboarding date of September 14th for a terminal position. I've followed this hiring bid thread as well as the ones for 2017 and 2018 and just wanted to say how grateful I am to all who have contributed any helpful information. You guys definitely helped keep me sane during those long waits!

In case it helps anyone, I finished all of my CIL components by March 6th, and I was cleared medically on March 18th. I was never notified of my background check clearance. My HR POC was CS, but I found out on the call yesterday that they split CS's candidates, so I (and others) got reassigned to a new HR POC with initials DP. So, if you have CS but haven't heard from her, that may be why.

Anyway, thanks again, and wishing you all the best!
 
Sorry, I forgot to mention:

my HR rep was LM, but I was contacted by a different rep(but they clarified that LM is still my rep and would answer any questions)
 
General questions:

What is the difference between annual and sick leave? I noticed I accumulated 20 hours of each.
At the academy, will I have enough energy to exercise after class or is it draining?
Should I take the shuttle or uber? My housing is about 4 miles away and on the shuttle path. (Kind of wary of taking the shuttle due to covid)
What should I be practicing besides phraseology/stripmarking? (I'm Enroute)
For someone without a car, is AmazonFresh/whatever grocery delivery is available viable?

If I do pass training at Academy, how much are NATCA dues and should I be a part of it? Don't see much information about it on this forum/FAQ except a lot of controllers threatening to leave it, lul

For those at academy, any tips you can give? How different is it if you were there before it got shut down during the first wave of COVID?
 
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Should I take the shuttle or uber? My housing is about 4 miles away and on the shuttle path. (Kind of wary of taking the shuttle due to covid)

From what I heard, take the shuttle. It gives you a valid excuse if you're late because of the shuttle.
 
General questions:

What is the difference between annual and sick leave? I noticed I accumulated 20 hours of each.
At the academy, will I have enough energy to exercise after class or is it draining?
Should I take the shuttle or uber? My housing is about 4 miles away and on the shuttle path. (Kind of wary of taking the shuttle due to covid)
What should I be practicing besides phraseology/stripmarking? (I'm Enroute)
For someone without a car, is AmazonFresh/whatever grocery delivery is available viable?

If I do pass training at Academy, how much are NATCA dues and should I be a part of it? Don't see much information about it on this forum/FAQ except a lot of controllers threatening to leave it, lul

For those at academy, any tips you can give? How different is it if you were there before it got shut down during the first wave of COVID?
Of you can manage bring a car Oklahoma sucks without a car.

Annual is like vacation time. Sick is like vacation time they can’t deny.

you should exercise Or you’ll burn yourself out.

the most important thing to study is your map. Then phraseology. Stripmarking will be easy once you are using it.
 
If I do pass training at Academy, how much are NATCA dues and should I be a part of it? Don't see much information about it on this forum/FAQ except a lot of controllers threatening to leave it, lul

NATCA dues are 1.6% 1.4% of your base+locality (i.e. not including your differentials for Sunday and nighttime work) (and the June raise is 1.6%, so the dues pay for themselves on that alone). Obviously there are people who are pissed off about NCEPT and people who are pissed off about the COVID response, but generally the union fights for your career and your working environment... read the current contract and compare to the FAA-imposed work rules of the White Book.

I've heard that you especially want to be in the union as a trainee because while they legally have to represent you and your interests should you have problems with management or wash out, it's possible they won't fight nearly so hard if you aren't in the union. I don't think that would be an issue at my small facility but at a Z with dozens of trainees I could certainly see them prioritizing union members. You could see as scummy, but I interpret not joining as scummy—you're enjoying the benefits the union fought for (better pay scales, per diem pay for academy new hires, removal of dress codes, protection from management, the contractual June raise, ATSAP vs "three strikes," etc, etc) without chipping in to support the structure that made those benefits possible.

Of course the most grating thing, on a conceptual level, is that we legally aren't allowed to strike. (Side note, the big airport nearest to DC is the "Washington National Airport," it has no other name.) So any concession the union gets from the agency is not because the agency is afraid we'll strike but because the union has convinced the agency that it's better for everyone long-term if we get whatever that thing is. That does make me annoyed, and it makes our position as a union more precarious than non-federal unions. But despite that the union has won things for us, and they continue to be one of the more effective federal unions.
 
NATCA dues are 1.6% 1.4% of your base+locality (i.e. not including your differentials for Sunday and nighttime work) (and the June raise is 1.6%, so the dues pay for themselves on that alone). Obviously there are people who are pissed off about NCEPT and people who are pissed off about the COVID response, but generally the union fights for your career and your working environment... read the current contract and compare to the FAA-imposed work rules of the White Book.

I've heard that you especially want to be in the union as a trainee because while they legally have to represent you and your interests should you have problems with management or wash out, it's possible they won't fight nearly so hard if you aren't in the union. I don't think that would be an issue at my small facility but at a Z with dozens of trainees I could certainly see them prioritizing union members. You could see as scummy, but I interpret not joining as scummy—you're enjoying the benefits the union fought for (better pay scales, per diem pay for academy new hires, removal of dress codes, protection from management, the contractual June raise, ATSAP vs "three strikes," etc, etc) without chipping in to support the structure that made those benefits possible.

Of course the most grating thing, on a conceptual level, is that we legally aren't allowed to strike. (Side note, the big airport nearest to DC is the "Washington National Airport," it has no other name.) So any concession the union gets from the agency is not because the agency is afraid we'll strike but because the union has convinced the agency that it's better for everyone long-term if we get whatever that thing is. That does make me annoyed, and it makes our position as a union more precarious than non-federal unions. But despite that the union has won things for us, and they continue to be one of the more effective federal unions.

" (Side note, the big airport nearest to DC is the "Washington National Airport," it has no other name.)"
What does this mean?

And I plan to be part of the union for at least the first few years, and reassess afterwards, thanks!


Of you can manage bring a car Oklahoma sucks without a car.

Can't manage but shouldn't uber be decent?

Get groceries once every two weeks, online order everything else? Go out once a week or so?
 
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They can't say Ronald Reagan because he fired all the dumbasses in 1981 who striked on PATCOs order. The airport is Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport. Someones still salty... I think ?
 
General questions:

What is the difference between annual and sick leave? I noticed I accumulated 20 hours of each.
At the academy, will I have enough energy to exercise after class or is it draining?
Should I take the shuttle or uber? My housing is about 4 miles away and on the shuttle path. (Kind of wary of taking the shuttle due to covid)
What should I be practicing besides phraseology/stripmarking? (I'm Enroute)
For someone without a car, is AmazonFresh/whatever grocery delivery is available viable?

If I do pass training at Academy, how much are NATCA dues and should I be a part of it? Don't see much information about it on this forum/FAQ except a lot of controllers threatening to leave it, lul

For those at academy, any tips you can give? How different is it if you were there before it got shut down during the first wave of COVID?
You have plenty of time while you are at the academy. If you are tired after class you can take a short nap, go exercise, and then have a few hours left over to study.

Take the shuttle the first few days and then try and find a classmate you can catch a ride with (most would probably do it for free if you live in the same place but I'd offer some gas money just to be nice). Same applies for getting groceries. Almost everyone in my class has a car but almost everyone carpools.

Getting food delivered is not an issue.

The academy has not changed much pre and post virus. Things are a bit disorganized and instructors are a bit out of practice but they are slowly working out the kinks. The main difference is that we have to wear masks but it doesn't really change anything. If you are headed to the academy soon I would just relax. You'll be away from your family and friendy for 2-3 months with nothing to do but work. Our instructors are often telling us that the Academy is the worst time of your career (not necessarily the hardest) so enjoy your time before you get here because it is a wild ride.
 
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You have plenty of time while you are at the academy. If you are tired after class you can take a short nap, go exercise, and then have a few hours left over to study.

Take the shuttle the first few days and then try and find a classmate you can catch a ride with (most would probably do it for free if you live in the same place but I'd offer some gas money just to be nice). Same applies for getting groceries. Almost everyone in my class has a car but almost everyone carpools.

Getting food delivered is not an issue.

The academy has not changed much pre and post virus. Things are a bit disorganized and instructors are a bit out of practice but they are slowly working out the kinks. The main difference is that we have to wear masks but it doesn't really change anything. If you are headed to the academy soon I would just relax. You'll be away from your family and friendy for 2-3 months with nothing to do but work. Our instructors are often telling us that the Academy is the worst time of your career (not necessarily the hardest) so enjoy your time before you get here because it is a wild ride.
Thanks for the reply. What do people usually do during breaktimes?
 
Kims and Crashpads deliver food to you as part of the housing arrangement. They take it out of the housing the Feds pay them, so you don't have to dig into your per diem. I just got this week's delivery and I'm glad I chose coming here. I'm not sure about the other housing arrangements, but Kim's does include a gym membership...but if you're only 4 miles away....just run back to your place after class! Two birds, one stone.
 
Kims and Crashpads deliver food to you as part of the housing arrangement. They take it out of the housing the Feds pay them, so you don't have to dig into your per diem. I just got this week's delivery and I'm glad I chose coming here. I'm not sure about the other housing arrangements, but Kim's does include a gym membership...but if you're only 4 miles away....just run back to your place after class! Two birds, one stone.
Does Kim still bring crap food? When I went it was all wal mart tier junk food
 
Yah but it doesn’t mean you have to buy like bear claws and bologna
The load I get is really well rounded. Ground beef, sausage, lots of veggies, pasta and sauce, fruit, milk and cereal....the worst shit for you they get is like...hamburger helper and sloppy joe sauce. You really can do worse for yourself. For a 7 week stint, I think you really get your money's worth....especially when you're not actually spending any. I feel bad for the Anatole peeps. I've seen it. Tiny apartments, garages that aren't included and they have to pay for their own food. I don't get the appeal of the pool.

I have discovered that Oklahoma has seriously overengineered their air conditioners. You can turn your house into a walk-in freezer.
 
The load I get is really well rounded. Ground beef, sausage, lots of veggies, pasta and sauce, fruit, milk and cereal....the worst shit for you they get is like...hamburger helper and sloppy joe sauce. You really can do worse for yourself. For a 7 week stint, I think you really get your money's worth....especially when you're not actually spending any. I feel bad for the Anatole peeps. I've seen it. Tiny apartments, garages that aren't included and they have to pay for their own food. I don't get the appeal of the pool.

I have discovered that Oklahoma has seriously overengineered their air conditioners. You can turn your house into a walk-in freezer.
Y’all really got hosed when they changed the per diem rule.
 
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