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Put an incentive for people to go to those places like they did with Guam
This would not fix the fact that staffing at a large number of facilities would still be an issue. Offering an incentive, which you and I both know wouldn’t be worth it to most people, wouldonly get them so far and would only attract a few people. Guam is understaffed to my knowledge regularly.
 
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This would not fix the fact that staffing at a large number of facilities would still be an issue. Offering an incentive, which you and I both know wouldn’t be worth it to most people, wouldonly get them so far and would only attract a few people. Guam is understaffed to my knowledge regularly.
Idk I’d go there for three years if it meant I got to go anywhere after, but that’s because I think this place is worse than Guam lmao. I think offering those type deals to people isn’t a bad option to get people thinking about places
 
Idk I’d go there for three years if it meant I got to go anywhere after, but that’s because I think this place is worse than Guam lmao. I think offering those type deals to people isn’t a bad option to get people thinking about places
That deal exists for Guam, except it’s not go anywhere it’s go to any available facility comparable to a facility you’ve been certified at. Anywhere is unrealistic and would never happen. So yes I go from Erie, pa to mwh just to be able to go to Dfw. Yea obviously people would do that. But just as many people washing out at Dfw or whatever high level facility would occur as they do now because of ncept.
 
I got it guys, we press the future controllers into service, the NAS is just like a pirate ship if you don't think about it.
 
They at least need to bring back regions at the academy. At least people would possibly stay where they are at if they are close to home.
 
Good luck at RFT!
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That deal exists for Guam, except it’s not go anywhere it’s go to any available facility comparable to a facility you’ve been certified at. Anywhere is unrealistic and would never happen. So yes I go from Erie, pa to mwh just to be able to go to Dfw. Yea obviously people would do that. But just as many people washing out at Dfw or whatever high level facility would occur as they do now because of ncept.
Yeah but you can make it where you go anywhere, if you want people to go there incentivize it, who cares if they can pick anywhere if they wash out, no different than someone else transferring who doesn’t make it
 
Yeah but you can make it where you go anywhere, if you want people to go there incentivize it, who cares if they can pick anywhere if they wash out, no different than someone else transferring who doesn’t make it
In my opinion You still will not get enough people to go to all the facilities that are truly hard to staff which easily is 30-40, even through incentives. You’d still consistently have staffing issues at many of those facilities and a glut of trainees that may or may not be successful at den, Dfw, iah and the other high paying easier facilities. You can’t promise 100 people they get to Dfw just because you want out of Erie. That doesn’t make any sense, you’d have to limit that at some point. So while sounds good on paper at some point it will not be feasible.
 
In my opinion You still will not get enough people to go to all the facilities that are truly hard to staff which easily is 30-40, even through incentives. You’d still consistently have staffing issues at many of those facilities and a glut of trainees that may or may not be successful at den, Dfw, iah and the other high paying easier facilities. You can’t promise 100 people they get to Dfw just because you want out of Erie. That doesn’t make any sense, you’d have to limit that at some point. So while sounds good on paper at some point it will not be feasible.
You don’t promise. But you make an effort to get as many people to where they want to go. Some will stuff be assigned.
 
Cus now you can literally not get Oakland center and then the next class 3 get mandatory to Oakland. There’s gotta be a better way
I agree there has to be a better way, I’m saying this isn’t the way because it’s just kicking the can down the road for incoming academy grads and not really helping existing controllers right now that feel stuck where they are. you are just creating different problems that are essentially the same thing as we have now all while not addressing any staffing issues at any level.
 
I’m more worried about getting CPCs where they want to be than new hires. Send new hires where they want to be and screw the rest of the workforce over that wants the same location. ?
Your just perpetuating the problem over and over and over again. Don’t forget the older controllers got to pick states and knew were they were going before they went to the academy
 
I’m more worried about getting CPCs where they want to be than new hires. Send new hires where they want to be and screw the rest of the workforce over that wants the same location. ?
Nor should anyone care about new hires because there is nothing that can be done about that because I believe m, correct me if I’m wrong, It’s illegal for the union to be involved in placement of new hires.

my opinion is to help as many cpcs as quickly as possible, which I believe to be closing facilities. Instantaneously you are allowing a large majority of the controllers at those facilities to get move money plus a raise, and get out of the place they are currently at and desperately trying to get out of. You also help higher level under staffed facilities with trainees. You are also helping out the facilities that remain faa because they will more consistently get trainees from the academy than they do now, helping expedite turn over. And you inadvertently help out the academy grads by offering less of a shit show than they get now. Unfortunately zoa and zny will have to stay and that will always be the reality.

And just in preparation of hearing the union kool aid line of closing facilities shrinks the work force. Assume you close 40 low level facilities, at most in my estimation you are losing 800-1200 lower lever paying positions, that’s only like 150k annual into the union coffers. Big fucking deal.
 
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Your just perpetuating the problem over and over and over again. Don’t forget the older controllers got to pick states and knew were they were going before they went to the academy
I agree this could have been fixed in the hiring all this time, but now your fix is gonna leave all those CPCs hanging in the wind to get new hires where they wanna go.

CPC>>>>>New Hire

People already employed should have first crack at where they wanna go than some new people.

Also I don’t care about union money for closing facilities. I care about not getting back to my hometown and winding down my career with family and a much more laid back work environment. I don’t see why you would take that away when it won’t solve shit. The FAA will fuck up hiring no matter what. You close facilities and move 500 people? Well the FAA says, “Gee I can hire 500 less people now!
 
Also I don’t care about union money for closing facilities. I care about not getting back to my hometown and winding down my career with family and a much more laid back work environment. I don’t see why you would take that away when it won’t solve shit. The FAA will fuck up hiring no matter what. You close facilities and move 500 people? Well the FAA says, “Gee I can hire 500 less people now!
I agree. Unfortunately the faa and the union will never agree just to let you go until you have been replaced. Hence the idea of the ncept. I know it has its problems I get it. I just believe that closing facilities increases staffing at the ones that remain faa, allowing you to get back to where you want sooner than the current plan and gives better options to the workforce overall.
 
I agree this could have been fixed in the hiring all this time, but now your fix is gonna leave all those CPCs hanging in the wind to get new hires where they wanna go.

CPC>>>>>New Hire

People already employed should have first crack at where they wanna go than some new people.

Also I don’t care about union money for closing facilities. I care about not getting back to my hometown and winding down my career with family and a much more laid back work environment. I don’t see why you would take that away when it won’t solve shit. The FAA will fuck up hiring no matter what. You close facilities and move 500 people? Well the FAA says, “Gee I can hire 500 less people now!
Would it even by harder to move? Perhaps these new hires going to different places will let more people leave. Maybe some kids wanna go to some smaller tower that currently can’t release but also isn’t severely understaffed. I’m not convinced fixing the placement will hinder movement.
 
Your just perpetuating the problem over and over and over again. Don’t forget the older controllers got to pick states and knew were they were going before they went to the academy
Did you just call me old? Lol

And for the record I picked states and knew where I was going before attending the Academy and have still changed facilities twice since my initial placement. Just because you think you know where you want to be when you get hired doesn't mean you'll always want to stay there. Life changes. Face it, there are too many variables and it is impossible to please everyone.

I had also heard a few years back that the union basically has no say in the Academy, hiring, and initial placement so I don't think it matters. The FAA does what the FAA wants. Based on history it will change again in a few years anyway.
 
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