2021 Convention

[BCHOOSIER]

Change from within is nearly impossible. When the entire national board comes out and signs written endorsements for "their guy" anyone that runs against them isn't running against one candidate but the entire national board. Add to it that the current leadership has travel expense accounts that cover solidarity events at locals. So they can travel around and more or less campaign while the union covers the costs. It's a huge advantage for the current leadership to network or get their message out to those that would actually vote. I was completely embarrassed by the way our union handled the Paul/Zilonis race. I had no dog in the fight but it was disgraceful how the Great Lakes region and people that supported Zilonis were treated and segregated at the PHL convention. I would love to see change to the election process and how members can campaign for national positions.

 

[ChuckNovember]

It was really weird that the 4 day workweek resolution was shot down unanimously

 

[CaptainObvious]

It was really weird that the 4 day workweek resolution was shot down unanimously

How would that have forced the FAA to implement it though. It’s not in the CBA

 

[AB19]

How would that have forced the FAA to implement it though. It’s not in the CBA

You put it in the next one, because we have a union friendly president, it’s the goal of the union to do what’s best for us, and I fail to see any justification how fighting for a 4x8 work week hurts us in any shape

 

[ATC Zero]

How would that have forced the FAA to implement it though. It’s not in the CBA

Maybe it would have forced them to work with the Agency on improving fatigue issues and scheduling with the hopes of a 4 day work week.
The Agency isn’t hiring and getting enough people out of OKC fast enough. Union giving in by changing each round of NCEPT so CPC transfers lag for years. Can’t entertain progressive ideas for change ( ( (coming in less days per week) when they have been talking about staffing issues for the past 10+ years and will be yet when the next retirement wave starts in the next 1-5 years.

 

[CaptainObvious]

You put it in the next one, because we have a union friendly president, it’s the goal of the union to do what’s best for us, and I fail to see any justification how fighting for a 4x8 work week hurts us in any shape

I’m not against the idea, but are they really going to renegotiate in 2023 after they just extended our current book? It’s a great idea but how is it going to change anything for quality of life based on the fact that I work 6 days a week aside from getting 2 days of OT instead of 1

Maybe it would have forced them to work with the Agency on improving fatigue issues and scheduling with the hopes of a 4 day work week.
The Agency isn’t hiring and getting enough people out of OKC fast enough. Union giving in by changing each round of NCEPT so CPC transfers lag for years. Can’t entertain progressive ideas for change ( ( (coming in less days per week) when they have been talking about staffing issues for the past 10+ years and will be yet when the next retirement wave starts in the next 1-5 years.

I’ve been telling anyone that will listen that 5 years from now is going to painful. We’re already on 6 day weeks and it’s going to get worse. The impression is ?‍♂️ Oh well we can’t do anything about it

 

[AB19]

I’m not against the idea, but are they really going to renegotiate in 2023 after they just extended our current book? It’s a great idea but how is it going to change anything for quality of life based on the fact that I work 6 days a week aside from getting 2 days of OT instead of 1

It shouldn’t matter when we renegotiate, the union should always be fighting for better working conditions, and just because it’s voted at the convention doesn’t mean they have to do it, but the fact they voted it down is completely asinine and the antithesis of what a union is for

 

[ATC Zero]

I’ve been telling anyone that will listen that 5 years from now is going to painful. We’re already on 6 day weeks and it’s going to get worse. The impression is ?‍♂️ Oh well we can’t do anything about it

I can see it too. Not many people will be staying beyond eligibility because of poor leadership on behalf of the Agency and Union. And I’ll be giving about 2 weeks notice and that’s generous after the way I been treated.

 

[Mike Kilo]

Good luck getting rid of NCEPT. Every manager ever “Wow we’ve never had so many supervisor applicants, NCEPT is working!!!!”

 

[CaptainObvious]

Good luck getting rid of NCEPT. Every manager ever “Wow we’ve never had so many supervisor applicants, NCEPT is working!!!!”

Amazing how we can release 6 to management but are on 6 day weeks and can’t let anyone leave or hardly pick up anyone via NCEPT

 

[Mike Kilo]

Amazing how we can release 6 to management but are on 6 day weeks and can’t let anyone leave or hardly pick up anyone via NCEPT

15 below numbers? Max you can pick up is two. And they won’t show up for a year. And you have three retirements by then. And lose two to management. FAA math is good.

 

[CaptainObvious]

15 below numbers? Max you can pick up is two. And they won’t show up for a year. And you have three retirements by then. And lose two to management. FAA math is good.

They’ll show up in a year and then sit in the training department for 18 months before even starting

 

[32andBelow]

The what they do the center ncept is crazy. Some centers staffing varies widely area to area. And they don’t let over staffed areas release. Seems like an easy fix

 

[Mike Kilo]

The what they do the center ncept is crazy. Some centers staffing varies widely area to area. And they don’t let over staffed areas release. Seems like an easy fix

It is. Make them move to understaffed areas.

 

[32andBelow]

It is. Make them move to understaffed areas.

They don’t do that either tho!

 

[RadarRick]

It is. Make them move to understaffed areas.

There’s areas w nearly 2X the staffing as others within the same Z. Some areas in my building have Trainees with 1 D side being scheduled for weekly OT. Union won’t even consider moving people from the well staffed areas.

Hooray for indefinite 6 day work weeks 3-4 under the staffing number on every shift!

 

[Electricfence]

The what they do the center ncept is crazy. Some centers staffing varies widely area to area. And they don’t let over staffed areas release. Seems like an easy fix

Once they spilt up areas for releases and gains, then will they treat areas differently for pay purposes? The answer is yes, so would the workforce be okay with that? The answer is no.

Pick your poison.

 

[ChuckNovember]

There’s areas w nearly 2X the staffing as others within the same Z. Some areas in my building have Trainees with 1 D side being scheduled for weekly OT. Union won’t even consider moving people from the well staffed areas.

Hooray for indefinite 6 day work weeks 3-4 under the staffing number on every shift!

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[CaptainObvious]

There’s areas w nearly 2X the staffing as others within the same Z. Some areas in my building have Trainees with 1 D side being scheduled for weekly OT. Union won’t even consider moving people from the well staffed areas.

Hooray for indefinite 6 day work weeks 3-4 under the staffing number on every shift!

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[Mr.Tickles]

There’s areas w nearly 2X the staffing as others within the same Z. Some areas in my building have Trainees with 1 D side being scheduled for weekly OT. Union won’t even consider moving people from the well staffed areas.

Hooray for indefinite 6 day work weeks 3-4 under the staffing number on every shift!

Based off your comments you’re from possibly two areas in the building. Both of these areas are known for having a poor training culture and treating trainees like garbage. So don’t blame other areas for the short comings of yours.

Both the areas you could be in are also flooded with trainees right now. If you look at the bid lines on our website only one area could afford to give up people right now. While the total number of CPC and trainees for every area is almost the exact same. The only area that could give up people we both know won’t be doing so due to who the comes from that area.

Additionally you’re not even bringing up the fact that we have way too many controllers detailed out across the facility. I’d say it’s probably at least twenty if not more. Letting people leave for Sup positions hasn’t helped anything either.

On top of all that is the continuous starting and stopping of training we’ve had going on for months now. That’s just compounding everything.

Could one area stand to lose a few controllers? Absolutely. Is that the core of the issue of why so many areas are short staffed? Not at all.