2025 Convention

[Soul_Controller]

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It’s almost like there’s literally thousands of controllers unhappy with the union… crazy.

And apparently none of them can be bothered to show up to a convention

 

[Nothanks]

After going, I see why they do it in bigger areas. For the members that go and use their own leave, it’s nice that they can make a vacation out of it by flying in earlier or staying later. I only flew in for the convention and left Sunday night and it seemed like a waste of leave. I see both sides of the electronic voting argument. I want every member to be represented and I think it’s a problem that some delegates don’t always vote for what their members want. If anyone thinks their facrep/delegate is not voting in their facility’s best interest, you need to vote them out and try to change the process if that’s what you believe is best.

Oh no. Don’t tell them to vote someone out. They either don’t want to do that, Or their vote doesn’t count

 

[AB19]

If my vote counts let me vote on things directly, this is a union not congress.

 

[sheetshow]

I’m not going to change your mind. You have a skewed perspective.

I'm not involved enough with NATCA politics and post history to really have an appropriate response to their original argument and questions, but as someone who can't attend NATCA seminars, NATCA conventions, etc. Their (my) source of news and understanding about these kinds of topics comes from *these places* it's a prudent choice that you can take to sell it not to just them, but everyone.

 

[Shikaka]

Nah. Just not patient enough for a raise.

How patient do you expect people to be?

 

[buffalochickenqueefadilla]

How patient do you expect people to be?

Forealsies. What's the measurement? 10 years? 2 more extensions? Always moving the field goal.

 

[+TSRA]

Doesn’t matter what I think. The loudest people here that can’t seem to answer anything I ask are non members that are just angry at the world. Someone’s gotta be their scapegoat I guess. People
Left the union and they come here to cry about it 🤣

I think it’s strange that the union is more bitter towards none due paying members then those who left the union because they joined management.

I find even more bizarre that union doesn’t care it’s staffing MOU is a management feeding machine. At my facility, management is better staffed then the floor…and they still use CICs for the desk.

 

[Nothanks]

I think it’s strange that the union is more bitter towards none due paying members then those who left the union because they joined management.

I find even more bizarre that union doesn’t care it’s staffing MOU is a management feeding machine. At my facility, management is better staffed than the floor…and they still use CICs for the desk.

I don’t think anyone is bitter. Quit the union no one cares, some people see it as a benefit. Now you can’t vote against what some call the “majority” . Come online and bitch and moan, no one cares what you have to say anyways. Can’t vote the next person out, can’t make any change, not willing to do anything about your situation except sit online and bitch all day. And you get butthurt when I call you guys out talking nonsense. Go to Australia no one cares.

Forealsies. What's the measurement? 10 years? 2 more extensions? Always moving the field goal.

Forealsies? What are you in high school? You don’t have to wait you are going to Australia

 

[Lurking007]

When was the last traffic count for centers?

 

[Shikaka]

Imagine getting that ruffled about people leaving a subscription service like a union because it wasn't meeting your expectations.

I cancelled hulu because it didn't have any shows when instead I should have just produced my own shows.

 

[buffalochickenqueefadilla]

Forealsies? What are you in high school? You don’t have to wait you are going to Australia

What are you triggered? You seem soft. Exactly what's wrong with this world is your sensitive "oh that hurts me" attitude. Disgusting.

 

[RadarRick]

Nah. Just not patient enough for a raise.

Literally the same people voting for trump expecting some miracle to happen. Guy is attacking federal employees anywhere he can. That big raise you were all so happy about with TSA? Yea that contract is trash. Who knows what happens with them.

Slate book has been extended to be a 13 year contract, bud.

That’s over half people’s career. How much longer do you expect them to wait without getting a real raise? 1.6 plus presidential doesn’t cut it. That’s why there’s thousands of people who log in to these town halls Nick does anxiously waiting to hear what the plan is.

And before you ask, yes I am a NATCA member and yes I voted, and no I didn’t vote for Nick.

 

[Nothanks]

Slate book has been extended to be a 13 year contract, bud.

That’s over half people’s career. How much longer do you expect them to wait without getting a real raise? 1.6 plus presidential doesn’t cut it. That’s why there’s thousands of people who log in to these town halls Nick does anxiously waiting to hear what the plan is.

And before you ask, yes I am a NATCA member and yes I voted, and no I didn’t vote for Nick.

People haven’t gotten a raise since ‘99 reallyif that’s your point of view. And lots of pay freezes in between that and the slate book.

What are you triggered? You seem soft. Exactly what's wrong with this world is your sensitive "oh that hurts me" attitude. Disgusting.

What are you even talking about ? Just saying random shit with no context. I’m not here bitching constantly, you are… that’s why you are trying to move to Australia. Bye

 

[buffalochickenqueefadilla]

What are you even talking about ? Just saying random shit with no context. I’m not here bitching constantly, you are… that’s why you are trying to move to Australia. Bye

Oh god now youre ranting about nothing telling a forum bye. How sad 😔

 

[Nothanks]

Oh god now youre ranting about nothing telling a forum bye. How sad 😔

Truly hope you can be happier working there.

 

[buffalochickenqueefadilla]

Truly hope you can be happier working there.

Oh god...you're still going. Its gonna be ok man. Get some rest.

 

[SquawkHijack]

Yall starting to sound like the atc2 tards

That’s a funny statement considering you’re of the opinion that Jamaal lost the election for being black. Eat a dick, racist ass.

 

[N90-EWR]

Doesn’t matter what I think. The loudest people here that can’t seem to answer anything I ask are non members that are just angry at the world. Someone’s gotta be their scapegoat I guess. People
Left the union and they come here to cry about it 🤣

I don't know whether you are or not a NATCA officer, but since you just stated here that nobody is answering you, why don't you answer the questions I posted above that you apparently ignored. Why has NATCA national remained silent throughout this whole debacle of the EWR area being ripped out of N90 to PHL? I can't think of a more important fight these last few years, and even now, with all the agency fuck ups being exposed almost on a daily basis on national TV, and yet..not a peep from our union. Speaking on our behalf is LITERALLY NATCA's job. Why do our controllers have to be giving anonymous interviews to the media to expose the agency's incompetence? Shame on NATCA for abandoning our guys.

Today is us, tomorrow can be any other facility!

 

[Gauff]

I don’t think anyone is bitter. Quit the union no one cares, some people see it as a benefit. Now you can’t vote against what some call the “majority” . Come online and bitch and moan, no one cares what you have to say anyways. Can’t vote the next person out, can’t make any change, not willing to do anything about your situation except sit online and bitch all day. And you get butthurt when I call you guys out talking nonsense. Go to Australia no one cares.

They straight up should care that controllers are leaving the union due to being disenfranchised. These aren't anti union people that hate unions and don't want them to exist, these are people who haven't seen any benefit from NATCA in about a decade now. Now once ATC is in the news for staffing, and also the crash, NATCA says absolutely nothing in response to mainstream news articles or Kirby dragging controllers.

They should care that controllers would rather move all the way around the world to work and become a citizen in a different country for less money because NATCA has failed at advocating for pay and benefits for it's members (the core purpose of any union).

The fact that you are right and they don't care about current members quitting, others moving to Australia, joining the DOD, or just leaving the union shows that they straight up don't even care about they're dues paying members or the career field they represent.

 

[Phillyman2633]

They straight up should care that controllers are leaving the union due to being disenfranchised. These aren't anti union people that hate unions and don't want them to exist, these are people who haven't seen any benefit from NATCA in about a decade now. Now once ATC is in the news for staffing, and also the crash, NATCA says absolutely nothing in response to mainstream news articles or Kirby dragging controllers.

They should care that controllers would rather move all the way around the world to work and become a citizen in a different country for less money because NATCA has failed at advocating for pay and benefits for it's members (the core purpose of any union).

The fact that you are right and they don't care about current members quitting, others moving to Australia, joining the DOD, or just leaving the union shows that they straight up don't even care about they're dues paying members or the career field they represent.

They don't care that people are leaving. They are pushing for the FAA to bring on thousands of new hires that they can indoctrinate to pay dues for their open bars and multimillion dollar conventions where they can throw a "Who can eat Trish's ass the most" competition.

They don't care that 1000 disgruntled members with legitimate grievances are leaving because we will be replaced tenfold... They're kicking the can down the road, it will take the people being hired in 2027 years to realize how useless NATCA is