Jsybird2532 said:Then why are they using SF-86? Shouldn't they be using an SF-85P in that case? SF-85P is literally designed for public trust positions and is ALOT shorter.
Blegh, doesn't make sense.
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#102 You do get a security clearance if you work at an ARTCC.
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#103 NN9419 said:
You do get a security clearance if you work at an ARTCC.
So, if I'm reading this correctly, it's that enroute (ARTCC) needs a secret clearance, but terminal doesn't? So, they throw everyone through the form for secret and only issue secret/perform secret-level investigations and adjudication to people who actually need it for their job function?
That makes a little more sense than public trust requiring SF-86 overkill uniformly across the system for no reason despite giving everyone Public Trust clearance.
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#104 Jsybird2532 said:
So, if I'm reading this correctly, it's that enroute (ARTCC) needs a secret clearance, but terminal doesn't? So, they throw everyone through the form for secret and only issue secret/perform secret-level investigations and adjudication to people who actually need it for their job function?
That makes a little more sense than public trust requiring SF-86 overkill uniformly across the system for no reason despite giving everyone Public Trust clearance.
Terminal is public trust. Enroute is secret.
Also, if you have more than one DUI you're not automatically DQ'd (any and all alcohol related instances). You're deferred for further evaluation and depending on timeline you can be granted a clearance.
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#105 YouAppearToBeOnFire said:
Terminal is public trust. Enroute is secret.
Also, if you have more than one DUI you're not automatically DQ'd (any and all alcohol related instances). You're deferred for further evaluation and depending on timeline you can be granted a clearance.
Clearance yes, medical sounds like it would be nearly impossible though considering what I've heard from the pilot community (I'm hypothesizing similar standards for ATC).
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#106 Jsybird2532 said:
Clearance yes, medical sounds like it would be nearly impossible though considering what I've heard from the pilot community (I'm hypothesizing similar standards for ATC).
Okay well I’m going off the guidelines they use to make their determination for ATC.
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#107 Has anyone received an email inviting them to take the ATSA yet?
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#108 RPO said:
Has anyone received an email inviting them to take the ATSA yet?
If you have the automatic email set up through the jobs website, you'll get an email when it happens. Also, this forum will blow up. Trust me, you'll know when they get sent to the exact minute.
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#109 ChuckMastaT said:
If you have the automatic email set up through the jobs website, you'll get an email when it happens. Also, this forum will blow up. Trust me, you'll know when they get sent to the exact minute.
Good point. Thanks. This is my 4th time applying. Hoping this is it!
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#110 Does anyone know when they (who?) contact your Manager, is it a phone call or email, who specifically contacts the manager, what they tell them, how much detail and specifics does the manager get?
It would be extremely detrimental for me if my manager found out I was pursuing another opportunity especially if he found out months before when I would leave. I’d like to be as prepared as possible so I am not blindsided down the road.
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#111 VictorTango said:
Does anyone know when they (who?) contact your Manager, is it a phone call or email, who specifically contacts the manager, what they tell them, how much detail and specifics does the manager get?
It would be extremely detrimental for me if my manager found out I was pursuing another opportunity especially if he found out months before when I would leave. I’d like to be as prepared as possible so I am not blindsided down the road.
As far as I'm aware, it would be during the security clearance portion of the process.
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#112 VictorTango said:
Does anyone know when they (who?) contact your Manager, is it a phone call or email, who specifically contacts the manager, what they tell them, how much detail and specifics does the manager get?
It would be extremely detrimental for me if my manager found out I was pursuing another opportunity especially if he found out months before when I would leave. I’d like to be as prepared as possible so I am not blindsided down the road.
First you have to pass the ATSA then you have to be offered a TOL. Then once you submit the e-quip they will mail your direct supervisor and human resources department an inquiry about your employment status and employee record. You've got a LONG ways too go and a good chance of not getting that far.
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#113 oh foreals? damn, I don't want my current work to know either wanna stay low key!
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#114 Momo said:
oh foreals? damn, I don't want my current work to know either wanna stay low key!
I believe someone from my bid didn't tell their employer and he got fired when they got the letter. I'm pretty cool with my boss so I told him straight up but no one at my job got a letter that I know.
But like they've said, it's a looooong way. I applied June 14th 2019, and didn't get to that point until January 2020
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#115 VictorTango said:
Does anyone know when they (who?) contact your Manager, is it a phone call or email, who specifically contacts the manager, what they tell them, how much detail and specifics does the manager get?
It would be extremely detrimental for me if my manager found out I was pursuing another opportunity especially if he found out months before when I would leave. I’d like to be as prepared as possible so I am not blindsided down the road.
Does anyone have an example of the letter?
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#116 VictorTango said:
Does anyone have an example of the letter?
My employer got it electronically. Basically confirming you work there and if you’re good person to have
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#117 VictorTango said:
Does anyone have an example of the letter?
My manager got it physically. They filled somethings out in the letter and sent it back. He did tell me that the letter instructed him to fill out and send it back without showing it to me. What was in the letter? My manager told me it was some bubble in responses asking if you think this person is trustworthy
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#118 Were you fired. Are you trustworthy. Would you hire them back are the types of questions.
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#119 I know the SF-86 asks for a decade of employment history, but does every one of your previous employers get a letter? I think I read somewhere that they only check in with employers from the last five years. Can anyone enlighten me?
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#120 dakloss1990 said:
I know the SF-86 asks for a decade of employment history, but does every one of your previous employers get a letter? I think I read somewhere that they only check in with employers from the last five years. Can anyone enlighten me?
I think pretty much any employer or person listed on your SF-86 could potentially be contacted.