I thought this guy is talking about non radar? The LOA only protects their initial route. The center has to get them on courseHow do they know what's coming until someone is flashing at them? I'm confused.... I dunno where you work, but plenty of overlying tracon sectors out there, inter or intra facility.
So if everything is LOA/procedurally separated, why do we need controllers? You're telling me you're going to protect a route when there are no planes on it because someone might show up? If you saw the flash coming, you'd know if it was gonna work or not.
Not trying to play devils advocate, But I think he is referring to the flow controllers knowing who is coming and when. Also some sectors may not even deal with VFR call-ups.How do they know what's coming until someone is flashing at them? I'm confused.... I dunno where you work, but plenty of overlying tracon sectors out there, inter or intra facility.
So if everything is LOA/procedurally separated, why do we need controllers? You're telling me you're going to protect a route when there are no planes on it because someone might show up? If you saw the flash coming, you'd know if it was gonna work or not.
eh, i skimmed, and still "listening" to zoom... must've missed the non-radar discussion. my bad. i work at a vfr tower idk what nonradar isI thought this guy is talking about non radar? The LOA only protects their initial route. The center has to get them on course
I was referring to KACC being non radar, NOT the RAPCONS. Adjacent facilities have radar. Hence why I said not all centers know about everyone who comes to them ahead of time. Well I guess it depends on your definition of "ahead of time."I thought this guy is talking about non radar? The LOA only protects their initial route. The center has to get them on course
Do you have a CTRD?eh, i skimmed, and still "listening" to zoom... must've missed the non-radar discussion. my bad. i work at a vfr tower idk what nonradar is
i dunno what that is, im at home on zoomDo you have a CTRD?
If they get it from the rapcon then it’s a radar handoff to the center. Centers have plenty of class d non radar towers in their airspace. I’m guessing the non radar towers have to call for release to the rapcon who will then give them a legal altitude and or route to miss traffic?I was referring to KACC being non radar, NOT the RAPCONS. Adjacent facilities have radar. Hence why I said not all centers know about everyone who comes to them ahead of time. Well I guess it depends on your definition of "ahead of time."
Control Tower Radar Display aka "sea turd". A lot of controllers who have radar experience utilize that in the tower to help conduct operations. Tower can technically go non radar too loli dunno what that is, im at home on zoom
KACC does NOT deal with any towers. The towers all deal with the RAPCONS. Yes the towers will call the RAPCONS for release. Typically over there it is so busy it is usually just a rolling call. And correct, the RAPCONS have the CD position so all of those departure instructions would have been issued. Then obviously the RAPCONS deal with controlling the traffic as well as mitigating any and all conflicts before initiating handoff to KACC.If they get it from the rapcon then it’s a radar handoff to the center. Centers have plenty of class d non radar towers in their airspace. I’m guessing the non radar towers have to call for release to the rapcon who will then give them a legal altitude and or route to miss traffic?
How the heck did you quote me incorrectly.Why wouldn’t the center get a departure message and the flight plan? The LOA should explain how it will come.
IdkHow the heck did you quote me incorrectly.
I explain how your mom comes
Weird it says my quote but I didn't say that
It’s what they teach at RTF lmaoSorry Z guys, I’m flashing the departure before I even radar them and I’m going to put the plane you handed off to me to the next center while they are in your airspace before I even talk to them ?♂️
You have to apreq changes once a handoff has been INITIATED. Reference: 5–4–5 b and the associated interpretation (thanks MJ!).You have to apreq changes verbally ONCE a handoff has been completed.
Transferring controllers are not permitted to start a handoff to another controller, take the handoff back, make a change and start the handoff again without verbal coordination, unless otherwise specified in a Letter of Agreement (LOA) or facility directive.
mind blown.You have to apreq changes once a handoff has been INITIATED. Reference: 5–4–5 b and the associated interpretation (thanks MJ!).
No one does thatYou have to apreq changes once a handoff has been INITIATED. Reference: 5–4–5 b and the associated interpretation (thanks MJ!).