GroundClutter
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At least they can't hold you over.
Serious How hungover does the mid make you
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I will not say that was the intent (3 day weekend) but it was a nice bonus and tied managements hands. Sometimes I swear they acted like OT came out of their personal check book.
A solution I saw for years was to offer lines with an option of working 5 - 8s or the 10s.
Obviously selecting 8s negates getting a 3rd RDO, but the benefit was an extra body for leave, etc on that 5th day. It became a win-win as a few controllers never wanted 10s, in spite of the overwhelming popularity from most of the BU.
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How many sets of RDOs do you guys have? We basically do what you do, 3 sets of RDOs and everyone works on Tuesday.
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OT is one thing but 10 hour days all year would be hardddd. I think I’d take raddler over 4 10s but 4 10s over straight 8s
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Everyone is different, but that 3 day allows you to: 1) Save more annual and sick 2) more time with family 3) God forbid you love OT but gives you 2 chances to earn OT.
I promise you though those 4 10's are a life saver especially since they are straight.
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I've been on 10s for the last 2 years and have loved it. We split our BWS with both 8s and 10s for those that didn't want the longer days. We even split the shifts between straights, rattler and 2 on 1 off 2 on for those that wanted it. If you can convince management that they'll still get the coverage, you can really get anything.
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I've been on 4-10s all year. They are long and rough, but the three day and swap capabilities were awesome... I did many weeks with swapped RDOs from back of one pay period and front of next to have 7 days off straight with just one day of annual. Weds Thurs Fri, annual Sat, Sun Mon Tues next week RDOs. I wanted to build a line that had switched days like that so every other weekend was 5 or six days weekends.
I couldn’t agree more.
Stay disciplined on your first 2 swing shifts. If you wake up at noon day 1 and 2, it’s gonna be really hard on you doing the quick turn before day 3.
A lot of people don’t want to do that. That being said, I do feel rough after my mid. And with out a doubt has a negative effect on the body.
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I've always been a night person & hate mornings but I just came back from vacation recently, I woke up early (6/7 am) every day, actually had a normal sleep schedule and felt amazing. Come back to work on the rattler and in less than a week I feel noticably more fatigued than the previous week.
I never eat fast food, have a pretty healthy diet and work out on average 3-4 times a week. I'm in my mid-20's. This schedule is brutal, and add on OT every week the rattler is god awful. Tried working mids this summer and when I realized I would get headaches for 2 straight days after the mids I instantly came off of them and feel better. If I could work straight nights, I would but I would have zero life outside of work because of 6 day work weeks.
The idea of getting off work at 12:30 on Friday and not going back until 2:30 on Monday for the "idea" of 3 days off is great and all if it weren't for me being tired all day on Friday and feeling like the shell of a human being. My ideal schedule would be a week of days followed by a week of swings. I've asked around & sounds like the majority of the people at my facility hate the rattler but no one's tried making up a new schedule & the guy that does the schedule here is dead-set on the rattler for his family life. Got like 2 other people out of 40 who like the rattler.
I've tried making a mock-draft of week of days/week of swings and if anyone else could send me a PM of their schedules if that's what they work it would be appreciated so I could get more ideas.
I never eat fast food, have a pretty healthy diet and work out on average 3-4 times a week. I'm in my mid-20's. This schedule is brutal, and add on OT every week the rattler is god awful. Tried working mids this summer and when I realized I would get headaches for 2 straight days after the mids I instantly came off of them and feel better. If I could work straight nights, I would but I would have zero life outside of work because of 6 day work weeks.
The idea of getting off work at 12:30 on Friday and not going back until 2:30 on Monday for the "idea" of 3 days off is great and all if it weren't for me being tired all day on Friday and feeling like the shell of a human being. My ideal schedule would be a week of days followed by a week of swings. I've asked around & sounds like the majority of the people at my facility hate the rattler but no one's tried making up a new schedule & the guy that does the schedule here is dead-set on the rattler for his family life. Got like 2 other people out of 40 who like the rattler.
I've tried making a mock-draft of week of days/week of swings and if anyone else could send me a PM of their schedules if that's what they work it would be appreciated so I could get more ideas.
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This is the way but it’s hard when 5 of the days you can be a night owl
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How can you “sleep” at all any night, knowing that you and your facility wash out trainees just so you can keep your 6 day weeks overtime party and make 300K a year off their suffering?
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Okay so this is somewhat similar to something I was thinking about. My dad’s employees work a rotating 4/10 schedule where they work Mon-Thurs week one then Tues-Fri week two so your weekends looked like 4 days then 2 then 4 and so on. I haven’t tried to write it out but I wonder if something like that would be manageable.
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It’s really a relative matter, do you want the extra 3/4 day off with your RDOs or would you like the extra 1/4 of your lifespan after retirement? I like the extra RDO time as much as the next person but I also don’t want to widow my wife at 60. Not trying to simp with the boomers but I’m just trying to play the game of life long term.
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Long And Irregular Work Hours May Impair Sleep | University of Southampton
People who have atypical work patterns, such as shift workers and those who work on the weekend, have worse quality and quantity of sleep, compared to those who work a typical 35-40 hour week, according to a new study.
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While we're on the topic, I thought of a hypothetical schedule the other day. It's illegal with our current rules and is probably a terrible idea for the masses and futile to type out but here it goes.
I enjoy mids and night shifts and absolutely hate morning shifts. I probably end up getting about 5
hours of sleep the night before any morning shift vs 8/9 hrs of sleep between consecutive evening shifts.
The night shift before the quick turn, I often find myself wishing I could just stay at work for the mid instead of going home and forcing myself to wake up at an ungodly hour. Basically my wish would be to have the option to work a longer shift / extend an eve shift into a mid shift to avoid quick turn. We already allow only 8 hrs between morning and mid shifts, when controllers are most in sleep debt, so why not let me choose how I want to be tired?
4 Shift schedule
1. 1 - 11
2. 1 - 10
3. 1 - 10
4. 6 pm - 6 am.
Or 5 shift schedule
1. 4-11
2. 3-10
3. 3-10
4. 3-10
5. 6 pm - 6 am
Ty for coming to my TED talk
I enjoy mids and night shifts and absolutely hate morning shifts. I probably end up getting about 5
hours of sleep the night before any morning shift vs 8/9 hrs of sleep between consecutive evening shifts.
The night shift before the quick turn, I often find myself wishing I could just stay at work for the mid instead of going home and forcing myself to wake up at an ungodly hour. Basically my wish would be to have the option to work a longer shift / extend an eve shift into a mid shift to avoid quick turn. We already allow only 8 hrs between morning and mid shifts, when controllers are most in sleep debt, so why not let me choose how I want to be tired?
4 Shift schedule
1. 1 - 11
2. 1 - 10
3. 1 - 10
4. 6 pm - 6 am.
Or 5 shift schedule
1. 4-11
2. 3-10
3. 3-10
4. 3-10
5. 6 pm - 6 am
Ty for coming to my TED talk
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Terrible. You would be working to 6am on your sixth day. Best bet is to negotiate some straight swing lines and straight day lines. We started that this year and so far so good. Not the easiest to do but if you can fill straight swings with people like yourself then the straight days are a no brainer for people like me.
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A 12 hour mid would be the most sadistic thing of all time. It’s rightfully illegal
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Great points. It makes more "sense" with the 4 shifts. I honestly didn't even think about the 6th day which is a testament to how bad of an idea it is.
We did manage to negotiate some straight eve / straight day lines / 4-10s this year.
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I feel like all mids 12-8 would be better for me. I’d get more time before the mid to hangout. Leaving home at 8:30 to get to work in time to get 30 minutes of credit (I know not necessary but it’s easy and gets the late guys out sooner) is rough. I usually don’t go to bed until 11:30 or so, that’s three hours I’m down.
