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were you outraged?

that wasnt deflection, i thought you were talking about preventable murders.....
"My quality of life was much better 5 years ago." can you be more specific? Like... more than a basic feeling that things were better, and something specifically attributable to POTUS?“

This was the comment I was replying to before you chimed in. Maybe look back in the thread and gather context first, genius. And yes, that was textbook deflecting on his part. You’re not spinning this into something other than what it really is.
 
"My quality of life was much better 5 years ago." can you be more specific? Like... more than a basic feeling that things were better, and something specifically attributable to POTUS?“

This was the comment I was replying to before you chimed in. Maybe look back in the thread and gather context first, genius. And yes, that was textbook deflecting on his part. You’re not spinning this into something other than what it really is.
and you replied that your life was better because of a concern for American citizens being killed by people who don't belong here. i think its completely reasonable to ask you if you also care about American citizens being killed by an already existing tyrannical police force here in America. yes they werent killed by so called terrorists and the cartel.....but surely youd care about taxpayer funded murders right?
 
Immigration flow pretty much follows the economy. The same dudes pretending they can deal with immigration purely through enforcement means are no different than the dumbasses at the DEA that think they are doing anything about drugs.

I don't know why conservatives turn dumb about market forces when the subject is anything other than taxes.

So we're just going to destroy our fourth amendment rights even further just because we want to treat basic shit like movement as a crime. And still not actually stop the crime.
 
Idk who they think is going to fill all these day laborer jobs. If you aren’t going to have a program to have laborers come in then the economy will crash. The farms will crash. The food will crash.
 
Idk who they think is going to fill all these day laborer jobs. If you aren’t going to have a program to have laborers come in then the economy will crash. The farms will crash. The food will crash.
I either know you, or you just all watch the same news
 
Immigration flow pretty much follows the economy. The same dudes pretending they can deal with immigration purely through enforcement means are no different than the dumbasses at the DEA that think they are doing anything about drugs.

I don't know why conservatives turn dumb about market forces when the subject is anything other than taxes.

So we're just going to destroy our fourth amendment rights even further just because we want to treat basic shit like movement as a crime. And still not actually stop the crime.
Narrator: Conservatives are not actually well-versed in Econ 101, market forces, supply and demand, etc. The total sum of their economic “knowledge” comes via what they’ve digested and internalized after listening to hours of bullshit from college dropouts like Rush Limbaugh & Sean Hannity.
 
Idk who they think is going to fill all these day laborer jobs. If you aren’t going to have a program to have laborers come in then the economy will crash. The farms will crash. The food will crash.
The same small contractors in construction, landscaping, etc. who vote 100% Republican & spew right-wing nonsense are the same ones who always hire immigrant laborers because those laborers work hard and cheap. Watch how they quickly change their tunes if this mass-deportation effort The Felon has promised actually comes to fruition.
 
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So glad we have an incoming administration that puts American citizens first. Stop the illegal criminal invasion. Prioritize citizens and immigrants who come here LEGALLY.

Feels like Christmas lately.
im supportive that people care about illegals who could have been prevented from being here have killed americans. in fact im one of them. its the fact that people pretend preventable murders dont already occur and not only ignore them, but defend them also.

so you're okay with police killing American citizens because they illegally invade their homes. seems like the kind of american policy that needs more support, am i right?

im really asking, you really dont think those murders are a problem? and those police should keep their job let alone be able to walk the streets?
 
and you replied that your life was better because of a concern for American citizens being killed by people who don't belong here. i think its completely reasonable to ask you if you also care about American citizens being killed by an already existing tyrannical police force here in America. yes they werent killed by so called terrorists and the cartel.....but surely youd care about taxpayer funded murders right?
I replied that my life was better when we had a leader that was trying to build a fucking wall to literally stop illegal immigrants from pouring into our country like they have been the last 4 years. Which, to reiterate my point that you’ve acknowledged, has lead to the death of American citizens and American homes being raided by armed use of force of said illegals. That’s not even including all the laws broken and crimes committed by them that we don’t even hear about. All of that said, NONE of it should have happened if democrats hadn’t fought Trump at every single turn when he tried to build a wall to keep them out. When they not only stopped its construction when he was voted out, but intentionally tore parts of it back down and sold the steel for pennies on the dollar of what U.S. taxpayers paid for it. When they let illegals come and then dump them in droves in random places across the U.S. like Colorado, Florida, Ohio which causes a major burden in those areas, a typical result of poor immigration policy. A seemingly difficult concept for liberals to grasp. But I get it, y’all have needed a little mental R&R these last few days lol.

Where I’m going with this is, that was an example of when I felt my life was better under the first term of the Trump administration. That feeling held stock in knowing dangerous people were being kept out of this country, knowing the borders of a sovereign nation and its national security were being taken seriously…

Also, to reciprocate the political cheekiness, I think it’s particularly ironic that the same people that wanted to fire us for not getting the covid jab are the exact same people who let literally whoever into this country, to a scale of millions, with sickness/disease that we had otherwise maintained eradication against and hadn’t seen here in decades. Legal migrants of any degree are medically screened to prevent this sort of thing.

All in all I’m not going to say the Democratic Party doesn’t present valid issues as part of their agenda/goals, because they do and they deserve attention from the American people. However, it’s my belief that we have much bigger fish to fry at the moment like national security, government spending, the economy, foreign relations, etc…
 
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im supportive that people care about illegals who could have been prevented from being here have killed americans. in fact im one of them. its the fact that people pretend preventable murders dont already occur and not only ignore them, but defend them also.

so you're okay with police killing American citizens because they illegally invade their homes. seems like the kind of american policy that needs more support, am i right?

im really asking, you really dont think those murders are a problem? and those police should keep their job let alone be able to walk the streets?
Apples to oranges brother. Unjust police raids/shootings are a compartmental and therefore a departmental issue. Isolated from most law enforcement agencies who otherwise act reasonably and follow the law/agency SOP. This also outlines a thing called an anomaly, which exists in everything. It’s also a tougher issue to deal with considering law enforcement is an industry where a particular emphasis on responsibility and public trust is key.

The border situation is different in that it’s a much more upfront issue with a simpler solution which is to secure it. I’m not saying that the overall sentiment of what you said is wrong, but since we are discussing the mainstream talking points or of this year’s presidential race one ought to stick to discussing the issues actually contained in them. No?
 
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Apples to oranges brother. Unjust police raids/shootings are a compartmental and therefore a departmental issue. Isolated from most law enforcement agencies who otherwise act reasonably and follow the law/agency SOP. This also outlines a thing called an anomaly, which exists in everything. It’s also a tougher issue to deal with considering law enforcement is an industry where a particular emphasis on responsibility and public trust is key.

The border situation is different in that it’s a much more upfront issue with a simpler solution which is to secure it. I’m not saying that the overall sentiment of what you said is wrong, but since we are discussing the mainstream talking points or of this year’s presidential race. One ought to stick to discussing the issues actually contained in them. No?
Don’t most of the undocumented otherwise and overwhelmingly act reasonably and follow the law? They all are rapist murderers?

Police tyranny is a very upfront issue with a very simple solution. Fire them, and jail them. Police misconduct payouts? Take it out of their budget instead of a taxpayer funded insurance policy. Wanna see how fast they begin following the law? Both solutions also assist in the reduction of government spending. Or at least ensuring spending is legitimate.

I’m not even arguing that immigrants can’t be handled. That’s the difference between you and I. But I just dismantled your ignorant diatribe with obvious and easy solutions for behavior you are okay with. You just throw up your hands and say, well that’s too hard to handle. Also let’s mention the other crimes they commit like dui, assault, domestic violence, etc. and continue to retain their jobs. That’s the real American spirit.
 
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Don’t most of the undocumented otherwise and overwhelmingly act reasonably and follow the law?
Don't most people who break the law coming here and continue to break the law by not leaving follow the law?

I mean violent crime yes but you really have a holdup moment when that's the start of your argument
 
Don't most people who break the law coming here and continue to break the law by not leaving follow the law?

I mean violent crime yes but you really have a holdup moment when that's the start of your argument
Point 1: Presenting yourself at the border and making an asylum claim is NOT illegal. That is how many of the undocumented immigrants arrive.

Point 2: Can we deport Apartheid Boy Elmo Musk now since he also broke immigration law by not attending college while he was on a student visa and working unlawfully in violation of that student visa? Was he or was he not an “illegal immigrant” from the precise moment he violated his student visa requirements. Or, do we make exceptions for white South Africans with Apartheid roots?
 
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Don't most people who break the law coming here and continue to break the law by not leaving follow the law?

I mean violent crime yes but you really have a holdup moment when that's the start of your argument
This is an absolutely valid argument. For an overwhelming majority though that is their only crime. They come here to work on farms and in restaurants and cause no problems.

However, when you swing the complete opposite way and say they are all terrorists and murders and eating my family dog isn’t that being disingenuous? Especially while excusing similar crimes funded by American taxypayers? It’s pointing the finger and ignoring some equally fixable problems.I’ll say that again, peope excuse and in fact defend crimes committed by police, and tax payer funded jobs, which are are actual acts of tyranny. Something they swear they are against.

That does not mean we shouldn’t restrict illegals entering. I’m Looking forward to seeing that price tag along with the deportations and half baked arguments justifiying spending half a trillion in 4 years and how fiscally responsible it is, because you can’t put a price tag on national security. When you can make the same argument for say education, you can’t put a price tag on educating our children.
 
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The same small contractors in construction, landscaping, etc. who vote 100% Republican & spew right-wing nonsense are the same ones who always hire immigrant laborers because those laborers work hard and cheap. Watch how they quickly change their tunes if this mass-deportation effort The Felon has promised actually comes to fruition.
You should address him as the *The Felon President Elect* now since he wiped the floor with Kamala the other night.
 
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