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MMPI-2 Tier 2 Process

Parker_DR

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Is there anyone here from the May 2019 prior experience bid? ( FAA-ATO-19-ATCEXP-61675)

I'm curious if anyone has been contacted by Hope yet.
 

semperfly

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Applying to any bid once you're in tier 2 does nothing. You have to go through the process, they won't issue another TOL.

Rightfully so.... imagine getting another TOL and not flagging for anything in the personality inventories.

(There is no pass/fail on MMPI)
I applied to 2 bids last year and a direct hire package. So 3 total. I can't remember which one I was on when the MMPI bullshit happened. And not in a position to check right now. I was notified of tier 2 by the old man in June or July..again can't remember. I have not been contacted by hope. And every email I send keeps getting the response "be patient". Hope that helps.
 

jenkins156

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Sorry I’m late to the party. Anyone still here from the 18 bids? I’m July 18 bid. I finally got notified that I failed my mmpi on 10/9/19. Took my tier 2 on 11/12/19. I’m assuming I passed because the psychiatrist didn’t do anything extra nor schedule more appointments. Just one 2hr appointment.

I’m still waiting to hear from the faa on whether I passed though. Just wanted to share this info.

Also, who is HQ?!?! I keep getting told by people I email that they’re “Waiting on HQ”.... who exactly is HQ??
 

GulfBravoPapa

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Sorry I’m late to the party. Anyone still here from the 18 bids? I’m July 18 bid. I finally got notified that I failed my mmpi on 10/9/19. Took my tier 2 on 11/12/19. I’m assuming I passed because the psychiatrist didn’t do anything extra nor schedule more appointments. Just one 2hr appointment.

I’m still waiting to hear from the faa on whether I passed though. Just wanted to share this info.

Also, who is HQ?!?! I keep getting told by people I email that they’re “Waiting on HQ”.... who exactly is HQ??
The psychiatrist doesn't make any determinations. They simply fill out the paperwork and send to the the FAA where a flight surgeon will look it over and determine whether or not you pass.
 

YouAppearToBeOnFire

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The psychiatrist doesn't make any determinations. They simply fill out the paperwork and send to the the FAA where a flight surgeon will look it over and determine whether or not you pass.

That's not entirely accurate. This may get slightly semantical but I'll do my best to explain it.

1.) Applicant gets flagged for tier 2 from MMPI scores outside the norm (commonly people think they failed, they didn't).
2.) The applicant is forwarded to the VHT (virtual hiring team) to complete the packet for regional flight surgeon review.
3.) Once packet is completed the regional flight surgeon reviews your packet and either denies or approves you to receive a psychological evaluation.
4.) If approved, your packet is sent to HQ in Washington D.C.
5.) Your packet will be reviewed by D.C. BEFORE you even get an evaluation to make sure you're eligible.
6.) D.C. will coordinate an appointment with a local forensic psychologist.
7.) You'll do an evaluation including 2-4 tests and a one on one interview.
8.) The psychologist will make a recommendation to the FAA on to approve/deny/seek further tests.
9.) Psychologist in D.C. reviews EVERYTHING and will ALSO make a recommendation. They are not the deciding factor.
10.) Recommendation from D.C. is sent back to the regional flight surgeon. 99% of the time whatever is recommended is what the VHT/regional flight surgeon will do. I.e., if D.C. says you're not fit then you likely won't get a medical.

Where people, like myself, get held up the most is at step two. Gathering ALL the information D.C. wants.

Once my process concludes I will be putting together a litteral guide on how to have your packet ready the first go around. Might even do a flow chart. People love pictures.
 

Bro92

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This may be a dumb question but why do they need medical records in their request for more information when you are notified of tier 2?
 

YouAppearToBeOnFire

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This may be a dumb question but why do they need medical records in their request for more information when you are notified of tier 2?
They look at everything that could be a factor. Some of the requests are excessive, but the MMPI is a personality inventory. They look at factors that cause you to flag in those areas of the MMPI.
 

YouAppearToBeOnFire

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Do you have any examples of excessive requests?
For me I was asked to write a personal statement to "clarify" an event. Though if they looked at the records the answer was already in a report. Seems excessive to double tap something that is 10+ years old and irrelevant to current life. (I say irrelevant because it was genuinely a case of wrong place wrong time).
 
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